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Ally Tailer

Freaking out - 31% effective tax rate on taxable income of $72k?? Am I calculating something wrong?

I'm in full panic mode right now because I can't reach my accountant. I've been trying to file my taxes and the numbers are making me feel sick. From my 1040: Single filer W2 income: $64,830 K1 Self-Employment income: $49,068 AGI: $107,255 Standard deduction of $13,850 Taxable income: $93,405 Total tax: $28,956 Taxes withheld in 2024: $8,217 Taxes paid in April: $7,516 Taxes owed today: $13,223 I went to file today expecting to maybe owe like $900 more than what I already paid in April, so imagine my shock finding out I owe ANOTHER $13k+. I literally have about $14k in my checking account and that's basically everything I have. Does this seem right to anyone? This is like a 31% effective tax rate on my taxable income! I feel like this number is way off, but all I'm inputting is the W2 and K1 info, so it should be pretty straightforward. I'm absolutely freaking out right now.

That tax rate actually makes sense - you're forgetting about self-employment taxes. When you have K1 income that's subject to self-employment tax, you're paying both the employer and employee portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes, which comes to about 15.3% on top of your regular income tax. Your regular income tax on $93,405 would be around $15,600 based on 2024 tax brackets for a single filer. Then add self-employment tax of roughly $7,500 (15.3% of your $49,068 self-employment income). There are also some adjustments and deductions involved, but that gets you to approximately $23,100 in total tax. Add in any state taxes, and your total tax burden of $28,956 is actually in the right ballpark.

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Wait, so even though the K1 is from an S-corp, you still have to pay self-employment tax? I thought the whole point of having an S-corp was to avoid some of those taxes?

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If it's an S-corp K1, then you're right that not all of that income should be subject to self-employment tax. Only the amount paid to you as reasonable compensation (reported on a W-2) should have employment taxes. The K1 distributions from an S-corp aren't subject to self-employment tax. That's actually a good point - if this is an S-corp K1, you should double-check that you're not incorrectly calculating self-employment tax on those distributions. This could potentially save you thousands.

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Ally Tailer

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I think that explains it. I didn't realize the self-employment tax would be so brutal. This is only my second year having the K1 income and my accountant handled everything last year. The K1 is from a partnership, not an S-corp, so I think I do have to pay the full self-employment tax on it. Is there anything I can do at this point to reduce this? Or am I just stuck paying the full amount?

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Yes, for partnership K1 income, you definitely owe self-employment tax on the entire amount. Unfortunately, there's not much you can do to reduce your 2024 taxes at this point. For future years though, you might want to talk to your accountant about making quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid this kind of surprise. Also, consider whether converting the partnership to an S-corporation would make sense for your situation. With an S-corp, you'd pay yourself a reasonable salary (which would be subject to employment taxes) but could take the rest as distributions not subject to self-employment tax. This can create significant savings, though there are additional costs and complexities to consider.

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Cass Green

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I just went through a similar nightmare with my partnership income. I used this tax calculator tool from https://taxr.ai that helped me understand exactly what was happening with my self-employment taxes. It analyzes your W-2s and K-1s then breaks down where all those taxes are coming from. It showed me that I was paying about 15.3% in self-employment taxes on top of my regular income tax, and explained why my effective rate was so high. The tool actually found a few deductions I was missing related to the business that saved me about $3k. Turns out I could deduct part of my health insurance premiums and some home office expenses I didn't realize qualified.

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Does this tool connect with tax software like TurboTax or do you have to enter everything manually? I'm in a similar situation with K1 income and wanna make sure I'm not overpaying.

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I'm skeptical of online tax tools. How do you know they're giving you accurate info? And are they keeping your sensitive financial data secure? Seems risky to me.

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Cass Green

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You can upload your previous tax returns and W-2/K-1 forms directly to the tool, or you can manually enter the information - it's flexible that way. I used the upload feature and it pulled everything automatically, then suggested what I could change for this year. It doesn't directly connect to TurboTax, but it gives you specific recommendations you can implement in whatever tax software you use. About security - totally understand the concern. They use bank-level encryption and don't store your documents after analysis. I was hesitant too but did some research on their security practices before using it. For me, saving thousands in taxes was worth it, especially since my tax situation got complicated with this partnership income.

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I wanted to follow up about that taxr.ai site that was mentioned. I actually tried it after seeing the comment here and it was super helpful! Uploaded my docs and it immediately showed me I was calculating self-employment tax wrong on my K1 income. I was treating some guaranteed payments as not subject to SE tax when they actually were. The breakdown made way more sense than what TurboTax was showing me. Ended up saving about $1,800 by correctly claiming some business expenses I didn't know I could take. The step-by-step explanations were really clear, unlike the IRS website which makes my brain hurt. Definitely worth checking out if you're dealing with partnership income!

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Ryder Ross

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Just a heads up, you should also look into making estimated quarterly tax payments for next year to avoid this situation again. Since you have that K1 partnership income without withholding, you're supposed to be making payments throughout the year. The IRS expects you to pay as you earn. If you don't make those quarterly payments, you might end up with underpayment penalties on top of the big tax bill next year. The due dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year.

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Ally Tailer

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Do you know how I figure out how much to pay for those quarterly payments? Is it just roughly 25% of what I'd expect to owe for the year?

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Ryder Ross

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You have a couple of options for calculating your estimated payments: You can pay 100% of your prior year tax (110% if your AGI was over $150,000), divided into four equal payments. This is the safest method to avoid penalties. Alternatively, you can estimate your current year tax and divide by four. This works better if your income fluctuates a lot or if you expect significantly lower income than last year. The IRS has a form called 1040-ES that includes a worksheet to help calculate your payments. You can also use tax software to calculate this for you. Just remember that you need to account for both income tax and self-employment tax on that K1 income.

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Besides the quarterly payments, you might want to look at increasing your W2 withholding to help cover some of that self-employment tax. I had a similar situation and asked my employer to withhold an additional $500 per paycheck. It didn't completely eliminate my quarterly payments, but it reduced them enough to make them manageable.

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Henry Delgado

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Can you really do that? Just ask them to withhold extra? How do you figure out how much extra to withhold?

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