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Carmen Reyes

Form 3520/3520-A Requirements for TFSA: Trust Reporting Confusion

I'm getting really confused about how to report my Canadian TFSA (Tax-Free Savings Account) on my US tax return. Every cross-border tax professional I talk to gives me completely different advice! Some say I need to file Form 3520/3520-A and treat it as a foreign trust, while others insist it's just a regular investment account. The penalties for getting this wrong are apparently huge. Has anyone here dealt with reporting a TFSA to the IRS? Did you file it as a trust using Forms 3520/3520-A or just report the investment income? Did you run into any issues with the IRS about how you reported it? Would really appreciate hearing about real experiences before I make a decision that could cost me thousands in penalties...

Andre Moreau

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The TFSA reporting requirements have been a gray area for years. Based on my experience, the IRS has never officially declared TFSAs as foreign trusts, but many practitioners take the conservative approach and file Forms 3520/3520-A anyway. Technically, a TFSA meets some criteria of a foreign trust since you're the beneficiary of assets held by a Canadian financial institution. However, many tax professionals argue it's more like an investment account similar to a Roth IRA. If you choose not to file Forms 3520/3520-A, you should still report any income generated within the TFSA on your US tax return (unlike in Canada where it's tax-free). You'll also need to include the account on your FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) if your total foreign accounts exceed $10,000.

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This is so confusing. If the IRS hasn't officially declared TFSAs as trusts, why would anyone voluntarily file those complex forms? Aren't the penalties for incorrect 3520 filings really severe? Like tens of thousands of dollars?

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Andre Moreau

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The reason many people file Forms 3520/3520-A despite the lack of clear guidance is because the penalties for non-filing if it's later determined to be required are incredibly steep - starting at $10,000 and potentially going much higher. It's definitely a case of being "better safe than sorry" for many US taxpayers with TFSAs. The forms are complex and often require professional help, but that cost is typically much lower than potential penalties. That said, many taxpayers have only reported the income and included the account on their FBAR without issues.

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CosmicCadet

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Sounds interesting but did it actually explain how the IRS would classify your specific TFSA? I have both a cash TFSA and one with ETFs, so I'm wondering if they're treated differently?

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Amara Adeyemi

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Wait, how does this actually work? The IRS never answers their phone when I call. I've been trying for weeks to get clarification on FBAR requirements for my TFSA.

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Yeah right... there's no way you actually got through to an IRS specialist who gave you a clear answer on something this complicated. The IRS phone reps barely understand basic tax questions, let alone international trust reporting requirements.

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Liam O'Connor

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For what it's worth, I've been filing my TFSA as a foreign investment account (not a trust) for the past 7 years. I report any income generated on my 1040 and include the account on my FBAR. Never filed 3520/3520-A and never had any issues or questions from the IRS. My TFSA is pretty straightforward though - just mutual funds through TD Bank. Maybe more complex TFSAs with alternative investments would be viewed differently? My cross-border accountant said the key question is whether you have "substantial control" over the investment decisions beyond what a typical brokerage account would allow.

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Dylan Wright

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Did you have to pay US tax on the earnings inside your TFSA? That's the part that kills me - these accounts are supposed to be tax-free in Canada but the US doesn't respect that status.

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Yes, unfortunately I did have to pay US tax on all the earnings inside my TFSA. The US-Canada tax treaty doesn't recognize the tax-free status of TFSAs like it does for some other Canadian retirement accounts. It's definitely frustrating since the whole point of a TFSA is the tax-free growth, but for US tax purposes, it's treated just like any other investment account. This is why many dual citizens or Americans living in Canada are advised to avoid TFSAs altogether and focus on other investment vehicles that have better US tax treatment.

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NebulaKnight

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Has anyone here actually been audited by the IRS specifically about their TFSA reporting? All I ever see is people speculating about what might happen, but I've never heard a firsthand account of someone actually facing consequences for how they reported (or didn't report) their TFSA.

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Sofia Ramirez

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My brother-in-law got hit with a $10,000 penalty for not filing Form 3520 for his TFSA in 2019. He had to hire a tax attorney and ended up getting the penalty abated through the IRS Appeals process, but it was a stressful 11 months and cost him about $7,000 in legal fees. The IRS initially claimed his particular TFSA qualified as a foreign trust because of some specific options his Canadian financial advisor had selected when setting it up. Ultimately, the appeals officer agreed the guidance was unclear and removed the penalty, but still required him to file the back forms.

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Ezra Bates

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This thread highlights exactly why TFSA reporting is such a nightmare for US taxpayers! The lack of clear IRS guidance creates this ridiculous situation where everyone's guessing and potentially facing massive penalties. I went through this same confusion two years ago and ended up taking the conservative approach - filed Forms 3520/3520-A for my TFSA even though it felt like overkill. Cost me about $1,200 in CPA fees, but I sleep better at night knowing I won't get hit with a surprise penalty. What really bothers me is that the IRS could easily clarify this with official guidance but chooses not to. Meanwhile, thousands of dual citizens are stuck making expensive decisions based on incomplete information. The fact that someone like Sofia's brother-in-law can get penalized $10,000 and then have it reversed on appeal just shows how arbitrary this whole system is. For anyone still deciding: document whatever approach you take and make sure you can justify it. Whether you file as a trust or just report the income, having a clear rationale based on your specific TFSA structure is crucial if you ever face questions later.

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You're absolutely right about the arbitrary nature of this system! I'm dealing with this exact situation right now and it's incredibly frustrating. What made you decide to go with the conservative approach of filing 3520/3520-A forms? Did your CPA give you any specific reasoning about your TFSA structure that pushed you toward treating it as a trust? I'm trying to weigh the $1,200+ in professional fees against the risk of penalties, but without clear guidance it feels like I'm just gambling either way. The story about Sofia's brother-in-law getting a $10,000 penalty that was later reversed really drives home how inconsistent the IRS approach is on this issue.

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Dylan Wright

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I've been dealing with this TFSA reporting headache for three years now and finally found a approach that works. After getting burned by conflicting advice from multiple CPAs, I started documenting everything myself. Here's what I learned: the IRS looks at specific features of your TFSA to determine if it's a trust. Key factors include whether you can direct specific investments (beyond choosing from a menu of funds), if there are any beneficiary designations that create complex arrangements, and whether the Canadian institution has discretionary authority over your funds. For my straightforward TFSA with just index funds at RBC, I report it as a foreign financial account - income goes on my 1040, account gets reported on FBAR, no Forms 3520/3520-A needed. I keep detailed records of my reasoning and all the IRS guidance I relied on. The peace of mind comes from having a defensible position based on the actual characteristics of MY specific account, not generic advice that may not apply to everyone's situation.

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This is really helpful Dylan! Your approach of documenting the specific features of your TFSA makes so much sense. I'm curious - when you say you keep detailed records of your reasoning and IRS guidance, what specific documents or sources did you rely on? I have a similar setup with TD Canada Trust holding mostly index funds, but I'm nervous about making the wrong call. Did you find any particular IRS publications or rulings that helped you determine your TFSA didn't meet the trust criteria? Having that kind of documentation would definitely help me sleep better at night if I go the same route.

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