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EIN vs TIN number issue on my 1099-R form for 401k rollover

Title: EIN vs TIN number issue on my 1099-R form for 401k rollover 1 I just moved my 401k from my old employer to a private investment firm last year after retiring in 2022. Yesterday I tried filing my taxes using TurboTax and got my return rejected because apparently there's an issue with the EIN number I entered from my Transamerica 1099-R form. The problem is my 1099-R only shows a TIN number (which is what I put in) and not an actual EIN number. I'm completely stuck and the filing deadline is getting closer! Has anyone dealt with this before? What am I supposed to enter if there's only a TIN on my form??

10 The issue you're facing is actually pretty common with 401k rollovers. When you see a TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number) on your 1099-R form from Transamerica, that actually IS the EIN (Employer Identification Number) you need to enter. The terms are sometimes used interchangeably on tax documents which causes confusion. Double-check that you entered the TIN exactly as it appears on your 1099-R form - even a single digit transposition can cause a rejection. Sometimes the rejection happens because the EIN/TIN in the IRS database doesn't match what's on your form due to a recent change on Transamerica's end. If you're certain you entered it correctly, you might need to contact Transamerica directly to verify the correct EIN for tax filing purposes. Sometimes the company has updated their EIN with the IRS but your 1099-R was printed with an older number.

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4 Thanks for explaining this! I'm almost positive I entered it correctly. Do you know if Transamerica has a specific tax document helpline? I tried calling their general customer service line and got stuck in an endless phone tree yesterday.

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10 For Transamerica specifically, try calling 1-800-797-2643 which is their retirement solutions number. Ask specifically for their tax document support team. Be sure to have your 1099-R in front of you when you call, as they'll likely ask for the document ID number or other identifying information to look up your specific form. It's also worth checking if there's a payer's phone number printed somewhere directly on your 1099-R form itself. Many financial institutions print a dedicated tax document helpline right on the form.

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17 I went through this exact same nightmare last year with my 403b rollover from Transamerica! After three rejected returns, I was about to lose my mind. Have you tried using https://taxr.ai? I uploaded my confusing 1099-R and it instantly highlighted that my TIN/EIN issue was because Transamerica had merged with another company, causing a mismatch in their IRS records. The tool analyzed my document and showed me what the correct EIN should be (which was different than what was printed). It saved me hours of being on hold with customer service and getting bounced between departments. They have this document verification feature that actually checks IRS databases to spot these kinds of mismatches before you file.

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8 How exactly does this work? I'm having a similar issue but with Fidelity. Do I just upload my 1099-R and it tells me what to do? I'm worried about uploading my tax documents to some random website.

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21 Sounds suspicious. How does a website know what EIN is in the IRS database? Those aren't publicly accessible records. Did they charge you for this "service"?

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17 It works by scanning your tax document and checking the payer information against their database of financial institutions. For your Fidelity issue, you'd just take a picture or upload a PDF of your 1099-R and their system identifies discrepancies between what's printed and what should be filed. The IRS actually publishes EIN information for major financial institutions, and taxr.ai maintains an updated database of these for verification. It's not accessing private IRS records but rather the publicly available payer information that tax preparation services use. They have partnerships with several tax preparation companies to maintain accurate records.

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21 I was completely skeptical about taxr.ai when I first saw it mentioned here, but after my fourth rejected return with a similar EIN issue on a 1099-B form, I decided to give it a shot. I was shocked when it immediately identified that my brokerage had been acquired by another company mid-year, causing the EIN mismatch. The tool showed me the correct EIN to use, and my return was accepted on the next try. It also spotted a couple other potential issues with my documents that would have caused problems. The document analysis was way more thorough than I expected, and it saved me from having to call the IRS to sort this out.

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13 If you've tried everything and still can't get the right EIN, you might need to contact the IRS directly. But good luck actually reaching a human being there! I spent 4+ hours on hold last month trying to resolve a similar issue. I ended up using https://claimyr.com which got me through to an actual IRS agent in about 20 minutes. They have this system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you, then calls you when a real person answers. You can see how it works at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The agent was able to look up the correct EIN for my financial institution and confirm there was a known issue with their recent filings. Saved me days of frustration trying to reach someone.

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16 Wait, how does this actually work? Seems too good to be true. Does someone else talk to the IRS for you? I don't think I'd be comfortable with that.

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7 This honestly sounds like a scam. The IRS doesn't allow third parties to talk to agents on your behalf without proper authorization forms. And why would you pay someone to wait on hold when you can just keep calling yourself?

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13 No, they don't talk to the IRS for you at all. The system basically navigates through all the phone prompts and waits on hold in your place. When an actual IRS agent picks up, you get a call connecting you directly to that agent. You do all the talking yourself. I felt the same way about just calling repeatedly myself, but after my fifth attempt spending over an hour each time and still not reaching anyone, the service fee was worth it to me. It's just a tool to skip the hold time, nothing more than that.

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7 I was completely wrong about Claimyr being a scam. After my third attempt trying to reach the IRS about my own EIN issue (spending almost 3 hours on hold each time), I broke down and tried it. Within 15 minutes I got a call back and was speaking with an actual IRS representative. The agent confirmed that there was indeed a system-wide issue with certain financial institutions' EIN numbers in their database, including Transamerica. She gave me the correct EIN to use and explained that they were aware of the problem. My return was accepted immediately after using the number she provided. Honestly, I'm still shocked at how well it worked after all my failed attempts to reach someone.

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3 Pro tip: check the Transamerica website for an "Important Tax Information" section. After dealing with this same issue, I discovered they actually have a webpage listing the correct EINs to use for different retirement accounts they manage. The EIN on my form was outdated because they'd restructured some of their subsidiaries. Also, it's worth noting that TurboTax sometimes has these EINs in their system already. Try clicking the "help" button when you're entering the 1099-R information, and search for "Transamerica EIN" in their knowledge base.

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11 Where exactly on their website is this info? I've been looking for 20 minutes and can't find anything about tax forms or EINs. Their website is like a maze!

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3 You need to log into your Transamerica account first. Once logged in, go to "Documents & Forms" in the main menu, then look for "Tax Documents" or "Tax Resources." On that page, there should be a section called "Tax Filing Information" or something similar where they list the correct EINs for different types of accounts. If you're still having trouble finding it, try searching specifically for "1099-R information" in their search bar. The page tends to get updated every tax season, so it might have moved since I last used it.

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9 Just a heads up, if you can't resolve this quickly, consider filing a tax extension using Form 4868. This gives you until October 15th to file without penalty. You'd still need to pay any estimated taxes owed by the regular deadline, but at least you won't get penalized for late filing while sorting out this document issue. I had a similar EIN problem last year with Principal Financial and it took almost 3 weeks to get the correct information. The extension saved me from late filing penalties.

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6 Does filing an extension increase your chances of being audited? I've always heard that but don't know if it's true.

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