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Felix Grigori

Declaring Foreign Investment Accounts in France - What's Required for DeGiro?

I've been a fiscal resident in France for about two years now, and until recently I've just been going to the tax office annually since I didn't have anything significant to declare. Pretty straightforward process. Recently though, I opened an investment account with DeGiro and started putting some money into it. I haven't made any significant investments yet, but I want to make sure I'm handling the tax declaration correctly before I go further. Does anyone know exactly what I need to declare regarding foreign investment accounts in France? Specifically for DeGiro? I've heard I might need to fill out some special forms for foreign accounts, but I'm not sure which ones apply to my situation. Any resources, websites, or experiences would be super helpful! I'd rather get this right from the beginning than have issues with the tax authorities later.

Foreign accounts can definitely complicate your French tax situation, but it's manageable once you understand the requirements. For DeGiro or any foreign financial account, you need to complete Form 3916 (Déclaration par un résident d'un compte ouvert hors de France). This is required regardless of whether you've earned any income from the account yet. The mere existence of the account needs to be declared. You'll also need to report any investment income on Form 2047 (Déclaration des revenus encaissés à l'étranger). This includes dividends, capital gains, or interest earned through DeGiro. Even if you haven't realized any gains yet, you should still declare the account itself. The French tax portal (impots.gouv.fr) has all the forms and guidance, though it can be a bit difficult to navigate if you're not familiar with it. The deadline for declaring these accounts is the same as your regular tax declaration date.

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Thanks for this info. I'm in a similar situation but with eToro. Does the 3916 form need to be filed every year or just the first time you open the account? And do you know if there are penalties if you forget to declare an account but haven't actually made any money from it?

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You need to file Form 3916 every year, not just when you open the account. It's an annual declaration requirement for all foreign accounts. Regarding penalties, yes, there are penalties even if you haven't made money from the account. Failing to declare a foreign account can result in a €1,500 fine per undeclared account. If the account is in a non-cooperative jurisdiction, this fine can increase to €10,000. The French tax authorities take these declarations very seriously, so it's best not to overlook them.

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That sounds helpful. Does it work with other brokers too? I have accounts with both DeGiro and Trading212 and I'm completely lost about how to declare them properly.

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Seems interesting but I'm skeptical. Does it actually handle the French tax system specifically? Most of these tax tools seem designed for US taxes and don't work well with European tax systems.

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How does this actually work? Do they just call the tax office for you? Couldn't you just do that yourself?

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Don't forget that if your total foreign assets exceed €50,000, you also need to file Form 3916-bis for foreign life insurance and capitalization contracts. The threshold applies to the combined value of all your foreign assets, not just DeGiro. Also, be aware that France has a wealth tax (IFI) for real estate assets over €1.3 million, so if you invest in REITs or real estate funds through DeGiro, there might be additional reporting requirements.

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Thank you for bringing this up! I hadn't considered the total foreign assets threshold. My investments are nowhere near €50,000 yet, but good to know for future planning. Just to clarify, does this apply only to life insurance/capitalization products or to all types of foreign investments?

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The €50,000 threshold applies specifically to foreign life insurance and capitalization contracts that require Form 3916-bis. For regular foreign bank and brokerage accounts like DeGiro, you need to file Form 3916 regardless of the amount - even if you have just €1 in the account. There's no minimum threshold for the basic foreign account declaration. The important thing is to declare every account, no matter how small.

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Has anyone dealt with the issue of DeGiro not providing proper French tax forms? When I was with a French broker, they used to give me a "Imprimé Fiscal Unique" that made declarations super easy, but DeGiro doesn't do this.

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This is a common issue with foreign brokers. You'll need to compile the information yourself from their annual statement. DeGiro should provide you with an annual overview that shows all dividends received, interest paid/received, and any realized gains/losses. You then need to manually transfer this information to your French tax forms.

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I went through this exact same situation last year when I opened my DeGiro account. Here's what I learned from speaking with a tax advisor: 1. **Form 3916** is mandatory every year for ANY foreign account, regardless of balance or activity. Even if you just opened it and haven't invested anything yet, you must declare it. 2. **Form 2047** is for reporting actual income (dividends, capital gains, interest) from foreign sources. If you haven't earned anything yet, you still need the 3916 but can skip the 2047 for now. 3. **Timing matters** - you need to declare the account for the tax year in which it was opened, even if it was December 31st. 4. **Documentation** - Keep all your DeGiro statements and correspondence. The French tax authorities can ask for proof of the account details at any time. One thing that caught me off guard was that even my unused cash sitting in the DeGiro money market fund counted as a "foreign investment" and needed to be reported differently than just cash in a bank account. The good news is that once you've done it the first time, subsequent years are much easier since you just update the same forms with current balances and any new income.

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This is incredibly helpful! I had no idea about the money market fund distinction. I've been keeping some cash in DeGiro's default money market sweep and assumed it was just like having cash in a regular bank account. Do you know if there are different tax implications for the money market fund earnings versus regular dividends from stocks? Also, when you mention "reported differently" - does that mean it goes on a different section of Form 2047 or requires a completely different form?

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