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Caleb Stark

Confused about Net Unrealized Appreciation - Will my stock be taxed as Short Term?

I need some advice about NUA strategy. I've worked at the same company for 27 years and have built up a ton of company stock in my traditional 401k with a really low cost basis. The account is with one of those big financial companies everyone knows. So earlier this month (January 2024), I did the Net Unrealized Appreciation thing where I moved all the company stock to my regular brokerage account. Everything went fine with the transfer, and my understanding was that according to NUA rules, the appreciation would be taxed at the long-term capital gains rate when I sell, even if I sell right away. Here's the problem - when I look at my taxable brokerage account, all the transferred shares are showing as "short term." This is freaking me out a bit! If I decide to sell some of these shares now, will my 1099 show them as short-term gains and I'll get hit with ordinary income tax rates? That would completely defeat the purpose of doing the NUA in the first place. Has anyone dealt with this before? I'm hesitant to pull the trigger on selling until I know for sure how they'll be taxed. The difference between capital gains rates and my tax bracket is pretty significant!

Jade O'Malley

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This is a common misunderstanding with NUA transactions. Let me clarify how this works: When you do an NUA distribution, there are actually two different tax components at play. First, you'll owe ordinary income tax on the cost basis of the shares (what your company initially paid for them). This tax is due in the year of the distribution (2024 for you). The second component is the appreciation (the NUA portion), which qualifies for long-term capital gains treatment when you sell - regardless of how long the shares have been in your brokerage account. This is a special provision in the tax code specifically for NUA distributions. The "short term" designation you're seeing in your brokerage account is just how they initially categorize newly received shares. The brokerage doesn't know these came from an NUA distribution. However, when they issue your 1099-B next year, the NUA portion should be correctly identified as eligible for long-term capital gains rates.

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Caleb Stark

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Thanks for the explanation! That makes me feel better. So you're saying when tax time comes next year, the 1099 will show the correct long-term treatment even though the brokerage account currently shows them as short term? Also, since I'll owe ordinary income tax on the cost basis this year, would you recommend selling some shares now to cover that tax bill? Or should I use other cash resources?

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Jade O'Malley

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The 1099-B should correctly reflect the special NUA tax treatment. However, I strongly recommend calling your brokerage to confirm they understand these shares came from an NUA distribution, as sometimes this requires special handling or notation on their end. Get confirmation in writing if possible. For handling the tax on the cost basis, that's really a personal financial decision. If you believe the company stock might decline in value, selling some to cover the taxes makes sense. But if you have other cash available and believe the stock will appreciate, using outside funds could be better. Just be sure you have a plan to cover what could be a substantial tax bill.

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I went through something similar last year with my NUA distribution from a company I'd been with for 22 years. The broker initially marked everything as short term too, but I was really worried about the tax implications. I found this amazing tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that analyzed my distribution paperwork and confirmed everything was handled correctly. They explained exactly how the NUA would be reported on my taxes and even created documentation I could keep with my records explaining the special tax treatment. The peace of mind was worth it because the last thing you want is paying unnecessary taxes or having to deal with amending returns later. Their system recognized right away that the brokerage designation didn't matter for NUA tax treatment.

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Ella Lewis

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That sounds interesting. Did you already get your 1099 showing the correct treatment? I'm curious if the tool was actually right about how it would be reported.

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I've been hearing about these AI tax tools lately. How does it actually work? Do you just upload your documents and it explains the tax rules, or does it actually help with preparing the return too?

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Yes, I did receive my 1099 and everything showed up exactly as taxr.ai predicted. The NUA portion was correctly treated as long-term capital gains, even though the brokerage had initially marked the shares as short term in my account. It works by analyzing your tax documents and giving you detailed explanations of special situations like NUA distributions. You upload your forms and it identifies tax situations and explains the rules that apply specifically to you. It doesn't file your taxes, but it helps you understand complex tax situations so you can file correctly yourself or provide better information to your accountant. Made a huge difference for me since most tax preparers don't deal with NUA situations regularly.

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Just wanted to follow up - I tried the taxr.ai tool that was mentioned here after wrestling with my own NUA questions. I uploaded my 401k distribution forms and brokerage statements, and it immediately flagged the NUA situation. The detailed explanation it gave me about how the taxes work was seriously helpful. The tool explained exactly how my 1099 would report the different components and what to look for when I file my taxes. It even generated a letter I can give my accountant explaining the NUA rules. My situation was pretty complicated with multiple distribution dates, and this clarified everything. Really grateful for the recommendation - would've been really confused otherwise!

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Coming from someone who works at an IRS call center - we get tons of calls about NUA issues because people end up with incorrect 1099s or file incorrectly. If your brokerage doesn't code everything correctly, you could face major headaches trying to get it fixed after the fact. If your financial institution isn't giving you clear answers, you might want to try Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). Check out their demo at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. They can get you connected with an IRS agent who can explain exactly how NUA distributions should be reported. Much better to sort this out now than deal with notices and amendments later. The tax treatment of NUA is one of those special provisions that even experienced tax preparers sometimes get wrong, so getting clarity from the IRS directly can save you a lot of trouble.

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Alexis Renard

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Wait, you work at an IRS call center? How does this Claimyr thing work better than just calling the IRS directly? I thought it was impossible to get through to a real person there.

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Camila Jordan

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This sounds like a paid advertisement. I've never been able to get useful tax advice from any IRS agent when I've called in the past. They just read from scripts and refuse to give specific advice.

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I should clarify - I used to work there, not currently. You're right that calling directly often means waiting hours only to get disconnected. Claimyr basically navigates the phone tree and waits on hold for you, then calls you when they have an actual agent on the line. The IRS representatives are limited in what specific advice they can give, that's true. But for procedural questions like "How should an NUA distribution be reported on a 1099-B?" or "What forms need to be filed if my 1099 incorrectly reports NUA as short-term gains?" - they can absolutely provide accurate guidance. It's specific tax planning advice they won't give. There's a big difference between asking "how do I report this?" (which they'll answer) versus "should I do this?" (which they typically won't).

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Camila Jordan

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I need to eat my words. After posting my skeptical comment yesterday, I decided to try Claimyr as a last resort because I've been trying to reach the IRS for weeks about an issue with my own 1099-B reporting. I was connected to an IRS representative in about 28 minutes (without me having to stay on the phone), and they actually gave me very specific information about how NUA distributions should be coded on tax forms. The agent explained that this is a common reporting error and walked me through exactly what my 1099-B should show and what to do if it's reported incorrectly. Turns out there's a specific code that should appear on your 1099-B for NUA transactions, and if that's missing, you may need to file an additional form with your tax return. This was way more helpful than I expected and saved me a potential audit headache.

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Tyler Lefleur

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I dealt with this exact issue last year. Your brokerage might show it as short term in your online account, but that's just because their system doesn't have a special designation for NUA transactions. When they generate your 1099-B, it should have the correct coding. That said, I'd recommend keeping detailed records of the NUA transaction just in case. Make copies of: - The distribution statement from your 401k showing the cost basis - Any paperwork showing the NUA calculation - The confirmation of the transfer to your brokerage - Documentation showing the date you acquired the shares in your 401k If something does get reported incorrectly, you'll need these documents to get it fixed.

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Totally agree about keeping records. My brother went through this and his 1099 ended up being wrong, but he had no documentation to prove when he originally acquired the shares in his 401k. Took months to resolve and he missed out on some of the tax benefits.

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Tyler Lefleur

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That's a critical point about documentation. The acquisition date in the 401k is what determines if the NUA qualifies for the special tax treatment - not when it moved to the brokerage account. If your brother couldn't prove the original purchase dates, I can see why that created problems. Another thing to watch for: make sure you do a direct transfer of the shares rather than selling and rebuying, which would reset the holding period. And remember that if you do a partial NUA distribution, there are specific ordering rules about which shares get transferred first. The paperwork can get complicated fast.

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Max Knight

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Just wondering - have you considered waiting until next year to sell some of the shares? If you hold them in your brokerage account for a year before selling, wouldn't that remove any confusion about the long-term status?

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Jade O'Malley

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That's not necessary for NUA distributions. The special NUA rules override the normal holding period requirements. The appreciation is treated as long-term capital gain regardless of how long you hold the shares in the brokerage account. This is specifically to allow people to diversify immediately after the distribution without tax penalty. However, any additional appreciation that occurs AFTER the transfer to the brokerage account does follow normal capital gains rules. So if the stock goes up by $10 after the transfer and you sell within a year, that $10 would be taxed as short-term gain, while the original NUA portion still gets the favorable long-term treatment.

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Tony Brooks

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Great thread! I'm going through a similar situation with my NUA distribution. One thing I'd add is to make sure your former employer properly coded the distribution on their end too. I found out the hard way that if the 401k administrator doesn't mark it correctly as an "NUA-eligible distribution," it can create problems downstream even if you do everything else right. The distribution needs to be part of a "qualifying event" (like retirement or separation from service) and needs to be a lump-sum distribution of your entire account balance within one tax year. Also, double-check that you didn't accidentally have any company stock in a Roth 401k portion - those shares don't qualify for NUA treatment and need to be handled differently. The rules are pretty strict about what qualifies, so it's worth confirming all the boxes are checked before you start selling shares. The good news is once it's done correctly, you'll have a lot more flexibility in managing your tax burden when you do decide to sell!

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Miguel Ramos

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This is really helpful info about the qualifying event requirements! I didn't realize the Roth 401k portion couldn't use NUA treatment. That could have been a costly mistake. One question - when you say "lump-sum distribution of your entire account balance," does that mean I need to empty out ALL my 401k accounts with that employer in the same year? I have both traditional and Roth portions, plus I think there might be some after-tax contributions in there too. Do all of those need to be distributed together for the NUA to work properly? I'm worried I might have messed something up since I only moved the company stock portion so far.

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