Can a construction company claim tax deduction for donating labor and materials to a non-profit?
I work for a medium-sized construction firm and we're trying to figure out a tax situation from a recent project. Last fall, we completed a significant renovation for a local church/community center (they're a registered 501(c)(3)). After finishing the work, our company president decided to donate about 40% of the total project cost back to the organization. The donation included both materials we purchased (about $27,000 worth) and the labor/overhead costs (approximately $32,000). We've already given them a letter stating the total donation value of $59,000. Now we're preparing our taxes and our accountant is questioning how we should document this for tax purposes. Can we deduct both the materials AND labor as a charitable contribution? Do we need to get an appraisal or is our internal documentation sufficient? I know there's an IRS Form 8283 for non-cash donations, but I'm not sure if it applies to our situation since we're a corporation donating both goods and services. Has anyone dealt with this kind of situation before? I want to make sure we're doing everything by the book while maximizing our legitimate deduction.
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Lena Müller
This is actually a pretty common question in the construction industry. For tax purposes, the IRS treats donated materials and donated labor/services very differently. For the materials ($27,000), your company CAN claim a charitable deduction, but there are some important details to consider. Since you purchased these materials, your deduction would generally be limited to your cost basis (what you paid), not what you would've charged the non-profit. You'll definitely need to complete Form 8283 for this portion since it exceeds $5,000. For the labor and overhead costs ($32,000), unfortunately, these are NOT deductible as charitable contributions. The IRS doesn't allow deductions for donated services or the value of time/labor, even for businesses. This is true regardless of whether you're incorporated or not. That said, your company could potentially still recognize these costs as normal business expenses (cost of goods sold, wages, etc.) even though you didn't collect payment. Just can't double-dip by also claiming them as charitable donations.
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TechNinja
•Wait, I'm confused. If they already incurred the costs for labor (paying employees, etc.), wouldn't they be able to deduct those as business expenses anyway? So they're not really losing out on the labor portion as a tax write-off, right? And does it matter that they're incorporated vs a sole proprietor or partnership?
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Lena Müller
•You're exactly right about the business expenses. The company can still deduct the regular business expenses associated with the project (employee wages, contractor payments, etc.) as they would for any project. They're getting those deductions regardless of whether they got paid by the client or not. The incorporation status doesn't change the fundamental rules here, though it might affect some of the specific limitations on charitable deductions. C-corporations, S-corporations, partnerships, and sole proprietors all follow the same basic principle that donated services aren't deductible as charitable contributions, but the underlying expenses can still be business deductions.
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Keisha Thompson
After reading this thread, I wanted to share my experience. I was in a similar situation with my construction business and was struggling to figure out all the tax implications. I tried talking to my accountant and even called the IRS (waited forever), but kept getting different answers. I eventually used https://taxr.ai to help sort through all the documentation requirements. Their system analyzed my project costs, the donation documentation, and actually explained exactly how to properly fill out the 8283 form for the materials portion. They confirmed that while I couldn't deduct the labor as a charitable donation, I could still take my normal business expense deductions for those costs. What was really helpful was that they showed me how to properly document everything to support both types of deductions in case of an audit. They also helped me understand the charitable contribution limitations that applied to my business entity type.
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Paolo Bianchi
•How does this taxr thing work? Like do they just look at your forms or do they actually give you specific tax advice? I'm wondering because my husband's landscaping business did a similar thing for a veterans memorial and we're not sure how to handle it.
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Yara Assad
•Is this just another AI thing or do actual tax pros look at your documentation? Because I've had bad experiences with automated tax stuff that doesn't understand construction business specifics. We donate materials all the time but never tried to include labor.
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Keisha Thompson
•They do a pretty thorough review of your specific forms and documentation. You upload your documents and they analyze everything - much more detailed than just generic advice. For your situation with the veterans memorial, they'd review the specific donation details and explain exactly how to document both parts properly. It's not just an AI system giving generic answers. They have tax professionals who specialize in business deductions and charitable giving who review complex situations. For construction businesses, they understand things like how to properly value donated materials (cost vs. market value) and which labor expenses can still be deducted as business expenses even when part of a charitable project.
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Yara Assad
I just wanted to update everyone. After reading the responses here, I decided to try taxr.ai for my situation. I uploaded my documentation for a project we did for a local youth center where we donated about $15K in materials and $20K in labor. The guidance was really specific to my situation. They confirmed what was said above - that I could deduct the materials as a charitable contribution but needed to carefully document the cost basis. For the labor, they showed me how to properly categorize those expenses as regular business deductions even though we didn't collect payment. What I found most valuable was their explanation of how to properly complete Form 8283, including which sections applied to my situation and what supporting documentation I needed to maintain. They also warned me that since my donation was over $5,000, I might need a qualified appraisal depending on the type of materials donated. Definitely worth checking out if you're in a similar situation. Saved me a lot of headaches!
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Olivia Clark
I had a somewhat similar issue with my electrical contracting company. The IRS kept giving me the runaround when I called about how to document a big donation we made to a community center. After multiple 2+ hour hold times and getting transferred around, I finally found https://claimyr.com to help get through to an actual IRS agent. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c They got me connected to an IRS representative in about 20 minutes who was actually knowledgeable about business charitable contributions. The agent confirmed that we needed to complete Section B of Form 8283 for the materials donation and have it signed by an officer of the non-profit. She also confirmed that while the labor portion couldn't be claimed as a charitable contribution, we could still deduct those costs as ordinary business expenses. Saved me from potentially making a big mistake on our corporate return and from spending hours more on hold.
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Javier Morales
•How does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you? I'm skeptical because I've literally spent days trying to get through to someone who understands business tax issues.
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Natasha Petrov
•This sounds too good to be true. I've been on hold with the IRS for 4+ hours multiple times and still didn't get answers about donation documentation. Are you saying they somehow get priority access to IRS agents? What's the catch?
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Olivia Clark
•They basically have an automated system that handles the hold time for you. You don't have to sit there waiting yourself - they call you when they have an agent on the line. They don't have "special access" or anything, their system just handles the painful waiting process. Once you're connected, you're talking directly with an actual IRS agent, not someone from their company. I was able to ask all my specific questions about Form 8283 documentation requirements and the distinction between donated materials vs. labor. You still need to know what questions to ask, but at least you don't waste hours just trying to reach someone.
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Natasha Petrov
Just wanted to follow up. I was super skeptical about Claimyr, but after another frustrating day of trying to get through to the IRS myself, I decided to give it a shot. Holy crap, it actually worked! I got a callback in about 30 minutes and was connected to an IRS tax specialist who actually understood business donation rules. I explained our construction company's situation with donated materials and labor for a local homeless shelter. The agent confirmed everything mentioned in this thread - that materials can be deducted as charitable contributions (with proper documentation on Form 8283), while labor costs should just be handled as regular business expenses. She also explained that since we're a C-corp, our charitable deductions are limited to 10% of our taxable income, which I hadn't even considered. For anyone struggling with this type of specialized tax question, it's definitely worth getting direct clarification from the IRS instead of guessing. And not wasting days on hold was genuinely life-changing.
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Connor O'Brien
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned this yet, but as a construction company owner who's done several charitable projects, you also need to consider STATE tax implications. In our case, we donated both materials and labor for a community playground, and while the federal rules were exactly as described above (materials = charitable deduction, labor = business expense), our state had different rules that actually allowed a special credit for donated construction services to qualifying organizations. Check your state's tax code or talk to a CPA who specializes in construction. You might be leaving money on the table if you only focus on the federal deduction aspects.
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Raj Gupta
•That's a great point I hadn't even considered! We're in Michigan. Does anyone know if there are specific state-level incentives here for construction donations to non-profits? I'm definitely going to ask our accountant about this tomorrow.
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Connor O'Brien
•I'm not familiar with Michigan specifically, but many states have special incentives for community development projects. Your accountant should definitely look into the Michigan Community Revitalization Program which sometimes has tax incentives for construction companies contributing to non-profit community development. Also, since your donation was fairly substantial ($59,000 total), you should consider whether the project might qualify for any historic preservation tax credits if the building had any historical designation. These can sometimes apply even when doing partially donated work.
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Amina Diallo
Just to add another perspective - I'm on the board of a non-profit that receives donations from construction companies. From our side, we need to provide proper acknowledgment letters that specifically separate out the goods (deductible) from the services (non-deductible). Make sure the non-profit gives you a correctly worded acknowledgment that specifies the value of the materials separately from the labor. This protects both you and the organization in case of an audit. Also, if your total deduction for the materials exceeds $5,000 (which at $27,000 it does), you'll definitely need that Form 8283 completed, and for donations over $5,000, you typically need a qualified appraisal attached. Don't skip this step!
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GamerGirl99
•Do construction companies really need an outside appraisal though? Couldn't they just use their actual costs as documentation since they have all the receipts? Seems unnecessary to pay for an appraisal when they know exactly what they paid.
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Aisha Ali
•That's a great question! For construction materials, you're right that the company's actual cost basis (what they paid for the materials) is typically acceptable documentation, especially since they have receipts and invoices. However, the IRS gets more strict about appraisals when the donated property is worth more than $5,000. The key thing is that Form 8283 Section B (which is required for non-cash donations over $5,000) needs to be signed by a qualified appraiser in certain situations. For commonly traded items like standard construction materials, the company's cost documentation might be sufficient. But for specialized materials or custom work, an independent appraisal could be required. I'd recommend checking with your CPA about whether your specific materials donation needs a formal appraisal. Better to be safe than sorry, especially with a $27,000 deduction on the line!
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Adaline Wong
This is a really helpful thread! I'm a CPA who specializes in construction industry taxes, and I wanted to add a few clarifications based on what I've seen in practice. For the materials portion, you're absolutely right that Form 8283 is required since you're over $5,000. However, regarding appraisals - for construction materials donated at cost basis, you typically DON'T need a qualified appraisal if you're deducting what you actually paid (your cost). The appraisal requirement usually kicks in when you're trying to deduct fair market value that's different from your cost basis. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the timing issue. Since you completed the work in fall and are now preparing taxes, make sure the donation was actually completed in the same tax year you're trying to claim it. The IRS is very strict about when charitable deductions can be claimed. Also, double-check that the church/community center's 501(c)(3) status was active during the time of your donation. You can verify this on the IRS website using their Tax Exempt Organization Search tool. For the labor portion, everyone's correct that it's not deductible as charity, but those wages and overhead costs you incurred are still ordinary business expenses that reduce your taxable income regardless of whether you collected payment from the client.
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Fiona Sand
•This is incredibly helpful information! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now where my small contracting business did some pro bono work for a local animal shelter. We donated about $8,000 in materials and probably $12,000 in labor. I had no idea about the timing requirements or that I needed to verify their 501(c)(3) status was active during the donation period. That's definitely something I need to check before I file. One question though - you mentioned that materials donated at cost basis typically don't need an appraisal. In my case, some of the materials were specialty items that we got at a significant contractor discount. Should I be deducting what I actually paid (the discounted price) or what the retail value would have been? I want to make sure I'm not over-claiming but also don't want to miss out on legitimate deductions. Also, do you have any advice on how to properly document the separation between donated materials and labor costs when the project was done as one integrated job? I'm worried about having the right paperwork trail if I ever get audited.
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Dmitry Smirnov
•Great question about the specialty materials! You should deduct what you actually paid (your discounted contractor price), not the retail value. The IRS rule is that you can only deduct your "cost basis" in donated property, which is what you paid for it. Trying to claim the higher retail value could get you in trouble during an audit. For documentation, I'd recommend creating a detailed project breakdown that separates materials costs from labor/overhead. Include your actual material invoices and receipts, plus a summary showing the total material costs versus total labor costs. If you have project management software or job costing records, those can be really helpful for demonstrating the separation. Also make sure your acknowledgment letter from the animal shelter specifically states something like "No goods or services were provided in exchange for this contribution" and ideally breaks down the donated materials value separately from any mention of the labor (which they shouldn't value since it's not deductible anyway). The key is having a clear paper trail that an auditor could follow to verify both your material costs and that you properly separated the deductible materials from the non-deductible labor portion.
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Leslie Parker
Thanks for all the detailed information in this thread! As someone who's been in construction for 15 years but never dealt with charitable donations before, this has been incredibly educational. I'm curious about one aspect that hasn't been fully addressed - what happens if you're a smaller construction company that doesn't have sophisticated job costing systems? We typically just track materials and labor together on simpler projects. For anyone who's been through an audit on this type of donation, what level of documentation detail did the IRS actually require? Did they accept reasonable estimates for the materials vs. labor breakdown, or did they expect precise tracking down to the hour and individual material receipt? I'm asking because we're considering doing some pro bono work for a local food bank, but our bookkeeping isn't as detailed as some of the larger companies mentioned here. I want to make sure we can properly document everything before we commit to the project.
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Giovanni Rossi
•Great question about documentation for smaller companies! I haven't been through an audit myself, but I've talked to other contractors who have, and from what I understand, the IRS is usually reasonable about accepting good faith estimates as long as you have some basis for them. For your food bank project, I'd suggest at least tracking materials purchases separately (keep all receipts) and maybe doing a rough breakdown of labor hours vs materials costs even if it's not super precise. You could estimate based on typical ratios for similar projects you've done in the past. The key seems to be having a logical method for your estimates that you can explain if asked. Like "materials typically represent 40% of our project costs based on our historical jobs" or something like that. As long as you're not trying to inflate the deductible portion, reasonable estimates should be fine. Maybe some of the CPAs or people who've been audited on this can chime in with more specific experiences?
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Mei Chen
•I actually went through an IRS audit a few years ago on a charitable donation that included both materials and labor for a community center renovation. The good news is that the IRS was pretty reasonable about documentation, especially for smaller contractors. In my case, I had kept all the material receipts but didn't have detailed time tracking for the labor portion. What saved me was having a simple spreadsheet that showed my typical markup structure and cost ratios for similar projects. I was able to demonstrate that my materials vs. labor breakdown was consistent with industry standards and my normal business practices. The auditor was mainly concerned that I wasn't trying to artificially inflate the deductible materials portion at the expense of the non-deductible labor. As long as your estimates are reasonable and you can explain your methodology, they seem to accept that smaller contractors don't always have sophisticated job costing systems. For your food bank project, I'd recommend at minimum: keep all material receipts, document your labor hours even roughly, and maybe prepare a simple comparison showing how your cost breakdown compares to similar projects. Having photos of the work progress can also help demonstrate the scope of materials vs. labor involved. The audit wasn't nearly as scary as I thought it would be, and having charitable intentions definitely seemed to work in my favor with the examiner.
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Toot-n-Mighty
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm relatively new to the construction business and had no idea about the distinction between materials and labor when it comes to charitable donations. I'm planning to do some volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity next year and was wondering - does the same rule apply if you're donating materials directly to an organization like Habitat versus doing the work yourself and then donating part of the cost? Also, for those who mentioned state-level incentives, does anyone know if there are federal programs that provide additional benefits for construction companies that regularly contribute to housing-related charities? I've heard there might be some community development incentives but haven't been able to find clear information. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences, especially those who went through audits. It's really reassuring to know that the IRS is reasonable about documentation for smaller companies!
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Paloma Clark
•Great questions! For Habitat for Humanity donations, the same basic rules apply - materials you donate directly can be deducted at your cost basis, while any labor/services you provide aren't deductible as charitable contributions (though you can still claim normal business expenses if you incur costs). The difference is that if you're just donating materials directly to Habitat rather than doing a project and then donating part of the cost back, the documentation might be simpler. You'd still need Form 8283 if over $5,000, but you wouldn't need to separate out labor costs since you're only donating physical materials. As for federal programs, there are some community development incentives through HUD and USDA rural development programs that sometimes provide tax benefits for housing-related charitable work, but they're usually tied to specific geographic areas or income requirements. The New Markets Tax Credit program also sometimes applies to construction work in qualified communities, though it's more complex than basic charitable deductions. I'd definitely recommend checking with a CPA who works with construction companies regularly - they'll know what federal and state programs might apply to your specific situation and location. The rules can be pretty complex but the potential benefits are worth investigating!
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Anastasia Romanov
This has been such a comprehensive discussion! As someone who's been following along and learning about construction charitable donations, I wanted to add one more consideration that might be helpful. For companies that do regular charitable work, it might be worth setting up systems from the beginning to track these projects properly. Even simple spreadsheets that separate materials costs from labor hours can save a lot of headaches at tax time. Also, I noticed several people mentioned getting conflicting advice from different sources. One thing that's helped me with complex tax situations is keeping detailed contemporaneous records - not just receipts, but notes about the charitable intent, communications with the non-profit, and documentation of the decision-making process. This kind of "story" documentation can be really valuable if you ever need to explain your position to the IRS. For anyone considering their first charitable construction project, it seems like the key takeaways are: 1) Materials = potentially deductible at cost basis, 2) Labor = not deductible as charity but still business expenses, 3) Documentation is crucial, and 4) Form 8283 is required over $5,000. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences - it's so much more valuable than just reading generic tax guides!
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Giovanni Martello
•This is exactly the kind of comprehensive overview I needed! As someone just getting started with understanding business charitable donations, I really appreciate how this thread evolved from a specific question to a full guide on construction company charitable giving. The point about contemporaneous records is spot on. I've learned from other business situations that having the "story" documented as things happen is so much better than trying to reconstruct it later for tax purposes. One thing I'm curious about - for companies that want to do regular charitable work, would it make sense to establish some kind of annual budget or policy for these donations? Like setting aside a certain percentage of revenue each year specifically for charitable projects, which might make the tax planning more predictable? Also, has anyone found it helpful to work with specific non-profits regularly rather than one-off projects? I'm wondering if building ongoing relationships might simplify some of the documentation and process aspects that everyone's mentioned. Thanks to @Raj Gupta for starting this discussion and to everyone who shared their real experiences - this has been incredibly educational for someone new to the construction industry!
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Jamal Carter
This entire thread has been incredibly valuable! As someone who owns a small electrical contracting business and has been considering doing some charitable work for our local Boys & Girls Club, I now have a much clearer picture of what I'm getting into. The distinction between materials (deductible at cost) vs. labor (not deductible as charity but still business expenses) makes perfect sense now. And I really appreciate the real-world audit experiences that several people shared - it's reassuring to know that the IRS is reasonable about documentation for smaller contractors who don't have elaborate job costing systems. A couple of practical questions for the group: For electrical work specifically, do things like permits and inspection fees count as "materials" or are they considered part of the service? Also, if we donate electrical fixtures that we got at contractor pricing, I understand we can only deduct what we actually paid, but what about items we had in inventory from previous jobs - do we use our original cost or current replacement cost? I'm definitely going to check out some of the resources mentioned here (taxr.ai and claimyr.com) to make sure I handle everything properly. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this community is incredibly helpful for navigating these complex tax situations!
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Andrew Pinnock
•Great questions about electrical work specifics! For permits and inspection fees, these would typically be considered part of your service costs rather than materials, since they're administrative expenses related to performing the work. However, you can still deduct these as regular business expenses even though they're not part of the charitable contribution. For electrical fixtures from inventory, you'd use your original cost basis - what you actually paid when you first purchased them. The IRS doesn't allow you to "step up" to current replacement cost for donated inventory items. Keep good records of your original purchase invoices for those fixtures. One thing specific to electrical work that's worth mentioning - if you're donating specialized electrical equipment or panels that might have appreciated in value since you bought them, you definitely want to stick with your cost basis to avoid any complications. The IRS can get pretty strict about inflated valuations on donated property. The resources you mentioned should be really helpful for getting the Form 8283 documentation right. Electrical projects can have a lot of different material categories, so having professional guidance on how to properly categorize everything will save you headaches later. Good luck with the Boys & Girls Club project - sounds like a great cause!
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Lilah Brooks
This thread has been incredibly thorough! As a newcomer to both construction and business taxes, I'm amazed at how complex charitable donations can be. One question I haven't seen addressed - what happens if you discover you made an error in how you documented or claimed a charitable donation from a previous year? For example, if someone accidentally claimed labor costs as charitable deductions instead of just business expenses, or if they didn't file Form 8283 when they should have? Is it worth filing an amended return to correct these issues proactively, or is it better to just handle it properly going forward? I'm asking because my family's small contracting business did some donated work for our church a couple years ago, and now I'm worried we might not have handled the tax side correctly. Also, for anyone who's worked with churches specifically - do they typically understand these requirements well enough to provide proper acknowledgment letters, or do you usually need to guide them through what documentation you need for tax purposes? Thanks for all the shared experiences - this community knowledge is invaluable for small business owners trying to do good while staying compliant!
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Giovanni Rossi
•Great questions about correcting previous years' mistakes! If you're worried you might have claimed labor costs as charitable deductions when they should have been business expenses, it's generally worth reviewing those returns with a CPA. While the IRS doesn't typically go hunting for these specific errors, if they ever audit you and find that you overclaimed charitable deductions, there could be penalties involved. For something like missing Form 8283 when required, that's usually worth amending since it's a compliance issue the IRS does check for. The form itself doesn't change your tax liability, but not filing it when required can trigger penalties. As for churches, in my experience they're hit or miss with understanding the tax documentation requirements. Many smaller churches don't realize they need to be specific about separating materials from services in their acknowledgment letters. I'd recommend providing them with template language like "In exchange for your donation of materials valued at $X, no goods or services were provided. The value of any donated labor or services cannot be used as a tax deduction." Most churches are happy to use your suggested language since they want to be helpful, they just don't always know what's needed. Better to guide them proactively than hope they get it right on their own!
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Mason Davis
This has been an absolutely fantastic discussion! As someone who just started my own small construction business last year, I had no idea how complex the tax implications of charitable work could be. I'm really grateful for all the real-world experiences shared here, especially from those who went through IRS audits. It's reassuring to know that the IRS is generally reasonable about documentation as long as you're acting in good faith and can explain your methodology. One thing that really stands out to me is how important it is to set up proper tracking systems from the beginning. I was planning to do some volunteer work with our local food pantry's building expansion, and now I know I need to track materials costs separately from labor hours right from the start. The resources mentioned here (taxr.ai for documentation help and claimyr.com for IRS communication) sound like they could save a lot of headaches. Has anyone used both services, and if so, how do they complement each other? Also, I'm curious - for those who do regular charitable construction work, have you found that non-profits become better at providing proper acknowledgment letters once they understand the requirements? I'm wondering if it's worth having a template ready to share with organizations we might work with in the future. Thanks to everyone who contributed their knowledge and experiences. This is exactly the kind of practical, real-world guidance that makes all the difference for small business owners trying to navigate these complex tax situations while doing good in our communities!
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Dylan Cooper
•Welcome to the construction business! This thread has been incredibly educational for me too as someone who's been considering doing more charitable work with my contracting company. To answer your question about the two services - I haven't used both personally, but from what I can tell from the discussion, they serve different purposes. It sounds like taxr.ai helps with the documentation and form preparation side (like getting Form 8283 right and understanding what you can deduct), while claimyr.com is more for when you need to actually talk to an IRS agent about specific questions. So they'd be complementary - use taxr.ai to get your paperwork organized properly, and claimyr.com if you need official IRS guidance on something unclear. As for the acknowledgment letters, that's a great idea about having a template ready! From what others have shared, it seems like most non-profits want to be helpful but just don't know the specific language needed. Having a template that clearly separates the materials value from the services (and notes that services aren't deductible) would probably save everyone time and ensure compliance. I'm definitely bookmarking this thread as a reference guide for when I start doing charitable projects. The collective wisdom here is so much more valuable than trying to piece together information from generic tax websites. Good luck with your food pantry project - sounds like a great cause!
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Ravi Patel
As someone who's been lurking and learning from this amazing discussion, I wanted to add my perspective as a newcomer to the construction industry. I just started my own small drywall and painting business last month, and reading through all these experiences has been incredibly eye-opening. I had no idea that there was such a complex distinction between materials and labor when it comes to charitable donations, or that Form 8283 was required for donations over $5,000. What really strikes me is how helpful this community has been in sharing real-world experiences, especially the audit stories from @Mei Chen and others. It's reassuring to know that the IRS is generally reasonable about documentation for smaller contractors who don't have sophisticated tracking systems. I'm already planning to do some volunteer work for our local homeless shelter's renovation project, and now I know to set up proper tracking from day one - keeping material receipts separate and documenting labor hours even if it's just rough estimates. The template acknowledgment letter idea that several people mentioned is brilliant too. One question for the group: for a brand new business like mine, would it be worth investing in basic job costing software from the start if I plan to do regular charitable work? Or are simple spreadsheets sufficient for tracking the materials vs. labor breakdown that seems so important for tax compliance? Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences - this thread is going to be my reference guide for navigating charitable donations properly while building my business!
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