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Lily Young

Can I reduce W2 tax liability by buying an ATV for my real estate LLC property management?

I'm trying to figure out my options here. I recently bought some vacant land through my real estate LLC and need to regularly inspect and maintain the property. I'm thinking about purchasing an ATV to help manage the acreage since it's pretty rough terrain with some wooded areas that are hard to access. My question is - if I buy this ATV specifically for property management purposes through my LLC, can the expense help reduce my W2 tax liability on our joint married filing? The LLC will probably show a net loss this year after this purchase and other startup costs. How would I file this correctly? Or should I consider creating a separate sole proprietorship just for the property management aspect of my real estate investments? Would that be a better route for this kind of purchase to offset some of my regular income tax? Just trying to be smart about how I structure things. Any advice appreciated!

So here's the deal with your ATV purchase for your real estate LLC. If your LLC is taxed as a partnership or disregarded entity (which most small real estate LLCs are), then yes, the losses can potentially offset your other income including W2 wages, but there are some important limitations. First, the ATV needs to be used primarily (over 50%) for business purposes. Keep a mileage log and document how you're using it for property management to prove business use. You'll likely need to depreciate the ATV rather than deduct it all at once unless you qualify for Section 179 deduction. The bigger question is whether you'll run into the passive activity loss limitations. Real estate activities are generally considered passive, and passive losses can only offset passive income unless you qualify as a real estate professional OR your modified adjusted gross income is under $100,000 (it phases out up to $150,000). There's no advantage to creating a separate sole proprietorship for property management - it would still be subject to the same passive activity rules, plus you'd complicate your business structure for no real tax benefit.

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Wesley Hallow

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This is super helpful but I'm confused about the passive activity loss limitations. My wife and I make about $190k combined from our jobs. Does that mean we can't use any of the LLC losses against our W2 income? And how exactly do you qualify as a real estate professional?

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At your income level of $190K, you likely won't be able to use passive losses from the real estate LLC against your W2 income unless you qualify as a real estate professional. The $100K-$150K income exception would not apply to you. To qualify as a real estate professional, you (or your spouse) would need to spend 750+ hours per year in real estate activities AND more than half of your personal services time in all businesses must be in real estate. Most people with full-time W2 jobs don't qualify unless their spouse is primarily working in real estate. These hours must be documented and in "material participation" activities - passive investor time doesn't count.

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Did it tell you exactly what forms to file? I've been reading through the IRS publications and keep getting confused about whether I need to file Schedule E or C for my rental property expenses, especially for vehicles.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet is the $25,000 special allowance for active participation in rental real estate activities under IRC 469(i). Even if you have W2 income over $150k, you might be able to deduct some losses from your rental if you "actively participate" which is a lower bar than "material participation" for the real estate professional exception. This might help you deduct some of your ATV depreciation, but the allowance starts phasing out at $100k MAGI and fully phases out at $150k, so with your $190k income you'd be outside this range too.

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Paige Cantoni

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Can you explain the difference between "active participation" and "material participation"? I thought they were the same thing. Also, does this special allowance apply if your properties are held in an LLC?

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Active participation is a much lower standard than material participation. You can actively participate by just making management decisions like approving tenants, setting rental terms, approving repairs, etc. You don't need to meet hour requirements or do the work yourself. Material participation (for real estate professional status) requires 750+ hours AND more than half your working time in real estate, plus you need to be doing day-to-day work, not just making decisions. And yes, the special allowance applies regardless of whether your properties are in an LLC, as long as the LLC is a pass-through entity (which most are). The ownership structure doesn't matter for this rule - it's about your personal involvement and income levels.

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Kylo Ren

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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but make sure you're documenting the HECK out of the business use of that ATV. I got audited last year for exactly this - had a Polaris Ranger for my rural properties and the IRS wanted proof it was used for business. Take dated photos of you using it for property maintenance, keep a mileage log, and save receipts for any attachments you buy for property work (like a small trailer, sprayer, etc). The auditor told me they specifically flag off-road vehicle purchases in businesses that aren't directly related to agriculture or landscaping.

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That's really good to know. Do you think having before/after photos of work done using the ATV would help? And did they accept your mileage log or did they want more specific documentation?

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