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MidnightRider

Can I claim the American Opportunity Tax Credit for my 5th year of college after getting an associates degree?

I'm trying to help my brother file his taxes and noticed something we might have missed. He has a 1098-T from his current college program, but we didn't claim any education credit on his return. This would be his 5th year in higher education total. He initially went for 4 years aiming for a bachelor's degree, but found it too challenging and ended up with an associates degree instead. He took about 2 years off, and now he's back in school working on a completely different associates program. Here's my question: If he didn't claim the American Opportunity Tax Credit for some of those first 4 years (our mistake, and now it's too late to amend those returns), can he still claim AOTC for this current year? I'm confused about what counts as "completed postsecondary education" for AOTC purposes. Does getting that first associates degree disqualify him from claiming it now for this second program? The extra $2,500 would make a huge difference for him financially this year.

Andre Laurent

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You're asking a great question about the American Opportunity Tax Credit. The AOTC is limited to 4 tax years per eligible student, but those years don't have to be consecutive. The key eligibility requirement is that the student hasn't completed the first 4 years of postsecondary education as of the beginning of the tax year. Since your brother already completed an associates degree during his first 4 years, the IRS would typically consider that he has completed his first 2 years of postsecondary education. The remaining 2 years of AOTC eligibility would normally be applicable toward years 3 and 4 of a bachelor's program. The fact that he's starting a new associates (which is considered a 2-year program) doesn't reset his eligibility clock. If he didn't claim the AOTC for some of those first 4 years when he was eligible, unfortunately those unclaimed years generally don't carry forward if they're outside the amendment period (usually 3 years from the original filing date).

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MidnightRider

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Thanks for the explanation. So just to make sure I understand correctly - even though he only claimed the AOTC for maybe 2 of his first 4 years, he's still considered to have used up his eligibility because he completed an associates degree? Does it matter that he was actually enrolled in a bachelor's program but just couldn't complete it and settled for the associates?

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Andre Laurent

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The IRS looks at how many years of postsecondary education have been completed, not how many times you've claimed the credit. Since he completed an associates degree (which represents about 2 years of postsecondary education), he would typically be considered to have completed 2 years regardless of what program he was initially pursuing. If he was in a bachelor's program for 4 years but only completed enough credits for an associates, then the IRS would generally consider him to have completed 2 years of postsecondary education. This means he could potentially have 2 years of AOTC eligibility remaining - if he's pursuing education that would count as his 3rd and 4th years of postsecondary education. However, starting a second associates program is typically considered repeating the first 2 years, not advancing to years 3 and 4.

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That sounds helpful. Did it actually tell you if previous years' credits would count against the total? I'm in a similar boat where my son claimed the credit for 2 years, then took 3 years off, and now is back in school. Does it account for breaks in education?

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Mei Wong

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You might also want to look into the Lifetime Learning Credit as an alternative. There's no limit on the number of years you can claim it. The credit is worth up to $2,000 (20% of the first $10,000 in qualified education expenses). It's not as generous as the AOTC's $2,500, but it's better than nothing if you're no longer eligible for AOTC. The Lifetime Learning Credit also has fewer restrictions - your brother doesn't need to be pursuing a degree or enrolled at least half-time. Just having taken one or more courses at an eligible institution is enough to qualify.

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MidnightRider

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That's a great point about the Lifetime Learning Credit! Do you know if the income limits are the same as the AOTC? My brother makes around $65,000 per year, so I wasn't sure if he'd still qualify.

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For 2025, the Lifetime Learning Credit begins to phase out at $80,000 for single filers ($160,000 for married filing jointly) and is completely phased out at $90,000 ($180,000 for joint filers). Since your brother makes around $65,000, he would be eligible for the full credit amount based on his qualified expenses. The income limits are slightly different than the AOTC, which begins phasing out at $80,000 ($160,000 joint) and completely phases out at $90,000 ($180,000 joint). So at $65,000 he'd be under the threshold for either credit - it really comes down to which one he's eligible for based on his education status.

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I think there's some confusion about how the "first 4 years of postsecondary education" are counted. It's not about calendar years or how many years you've physically attended. It's about academic progress toward a 4-year degree. If your brother was enrolled in a bachelor's program but only completed enough credits for an associates degree, the IRS would typically consider that as completing approximately 2 years of postsecondary education. Starting a new associates program doesn't reset the clock, but it also doesn't automatically disqualify him. The key question is: How many credit hours had he completed toward a 4-year degree? If he had completed less than the equivalent of 4 years of academic credit hours, he might still be eligible.

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Dylan Evans

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This is correct. My tax accountant explained that it's about your academic standing, not time spent in school. A student is considered to have completed the first 4 years if they've completed enough credit hours to be classified as a senior (4th year) or above at their educational institution.

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