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Lola Perez

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Has anyone here ever actually filed an SS-8? I'm curious because TurboTax prompted me to file one last year for some side gig work, but after reading about how long they take to process (6+ months!), I decided against it and just paid the self-employment tax instead.

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I filed an SS-8 about 2 years ago because my employer was classifying me as a contractor but treating me like an employee. It took about 8 months to get a determination, but the IRS ruled in my favor. After that, I filed Form 8919 to pay only the employee portion of Social Security/Medicare taxes rather than the full self-employment tax.

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KhalilStar

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I went through this exact situation last year with my wife's postdoc fellowship at a research university. TurboTax kept prompting us for the SS-8 form, but after doing some research and consulting with our university's international scholar services office, we learned it was completely unnecessary. The key issue is that fellowship stipends have a special tax classification that's different from both employee wages and independent contractor income. When you enter fellowship income under the 1099 miscellaneous section, TurboTax's algorithm incorrectly assumes there might be a worker classification issue that needs to be resolved with an SS-8. Here's what we did: we removed the fellowship income from the 1099 section entirely and reported it as "Other Income" on line 8z of Form 1040 with the description "Fellowship Stipend." This immediately stopped the SS-8 prompts. The fellowship income was still taxable for federal income tax purposes, but it wasn't subject to self-employment tax, which saved us quite a bit of money. One important note for your husband's H1B situation: make sure to keep detailed records showing the clear distinction between the fellowship period (January-August) and the W-2 employment period (September-December). The IRS likes to see clean documentation that explains the change in status and income type.

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As someone who's dealt with transcript codes before, I can confirm that transcripts absolutely do NOT update multiple times per day. The IRS processes accounts in weekly batches, and your cycle 05 means Thursday updates only. A 570 code typically indicates they need to verify something on your return - could be income matching, identity verification, or they caught an error that needs manual review. I've seen this process take anywhere from 1-3 weekly cycles to resolve. Since you're filing from abroad for the first time, it's quite possible they're just doing additional verification due to foreign address/income reporting. My advice? Stop checking daily (I know it's hard!) and plan to check again next Thursday. The anxiety is real, but checking hourly won't change anything unfortunately.

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Sophia Clark

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This is really helpful context about filing from abroad! I'm in a similar situation as a first-time filer living overseas, and I was wondering if the foreign address might be what's triggering additional scrutiny. Did you have to provide any specific documentation when you filed internationally, or was it just the standard forms? I'm trying to understand if there's anything I should be prepared for when dealing with the IRS as an expat.

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Yara Haddad

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As someone who's been through this process multiple times, I can confirm that transcripts only update once per weekly cycle. Your cycle 05 means Thursday updates, so unfortunately you'll need to wait until next Thursday to see any changes. The 570 code is frustrating but common - it just means they need to manually review something on your return. Since you mentioned filing from abroad for the first time, that could definitely be a factor as the IRS often does additional verification for international filers. I'd recommend setting a reminder to check next Thursday rather than checking daily (trust me, I've been there!). In the meantime, you might want to gather any documentation related to your foreign income or address changes just in case they need additional verification. The waiting is tough, but the system is pretty predictable once you understand the weekly cycle pattern.

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Zara Malik

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Side note but really important - tell your sister NOT to lie again on next year's taxes thinking she can "balance it out." Each tax year is separate and trying to fix fraud with more weird reporting just compounds the problem. I've seen people dig themselves into huge holes this way.

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Luca Marino

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This! My cousin did exactly this - lied one year, then tried to "fix it" the next year with more lies, and ended up with penalties for BOTH years. Clean slate approach is the only way to go.

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Your sister needs to understand this isn't just about "getting caught" - it's about doing the right thing. I work in tax preparation and see this kind of situation more often than people think. The stress and anxiety of wondering if/when the IRS will notice often ends up being worse than just dealing with the consequences upfront. A few practical points: First, the IRS has sophisticated matching systems that compare reported income and expenses across different sources. If she claimed Uber expenses but has no 1099s from Uber, that's an automatic red flag. Second, even if she got away with it this year, these things have a way of catching up - the IRS can audit returns up to 3 years later (6 years for substantial underreporting). The amended return route really is her best option. Yes, she'll have to pay back the money plus interest, but that's infinitely better than potential fraud penalties of 75% of the underpayment plus possible criminal charges. The car purchase actually makes this more complicated since she'll need to figure out how to pay back the refund. Bottom line: encourage her to consult with a tax professional immediately and file that amended return. The longer she waits, the worse this could get.

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Mason Kaczka

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This is really helpful advice. I'm wondering though - if she files an amended return now, does she need to explain WHY she's amending it? Like does she have to explicitly say "I lied about Uber expenses" or can she just correct the numbers without going into detail about the fraud aspect? I'm worried that being too honest might make things worse for her legally.

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Foreign Earned Income Exclusion: Qualifying for Bona Fide Residence Test vs Physical Presence

I've been using the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE) via the physical presence test for the past 5 years, but I think I might qualify under the Bona Fide Residence Test instead. The main reason I'm considering switching is that I'd like to spend more time in the US with family and for work without losing my exclusion. Here's my current situation for the Bona Fide Residence Test form: * When my bona fide residence began: July 2016 (got my visa then, though I've actually lived here since 2012) * My living situation: Purchased property (technically a 50-year lease on house and land, with my name on the title which I can provide documentation for - worth about $67K) * Family visits: Yes, my dad stayed with me for roughly 4 months last year * Foreign country residency statements: I haven't submitted any statement declaring I'm not a resident of the country * Foreign income tax requirements: I don't have to pay income tax locally on money I earn from foreign companies * Employment terms: No formal contract, just a salary-based position * Visa type: Special Resident Retirement Visa (Permanent Resident status) * Visa limitations: None on length of stay or employment * US home maintenance: No permanent home in the US (just using a PO box and my parents' address for mail) Should I switch to claiming the Bona Fide Residence Test or just keep using physical presence and limit my US trips? I'm nervous about triggering any kind of review of my status.

Based on your detailed situation, you definitely have a strong case for the Bona Fide Residence Test. Your permanent resident visa status since 2016, long-term property lease, and continuous residence since 2012 are all excellent supporting factors. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - when you make the switch, be prepared to explain the timing if asked. The IRS might wonder why you're changing methods now after 5 years of using Physical Presence. A simple explanation like "I now realize my situation better qualifies for Bona Fide Residence and want to use the most appropriate test" is perfectly fine. Regarding your concern about not paying local income tax - this actually works in your favor in some ways. It shows you're properly following local tax laws (many countries don't tax foreign-source income for residents), and it doesn't create any conflicting tax obligations that might complicate your US filing. I'd recommend keeping a simple log of your US visits going forward - not because there's a strict day limit with Bona Fide, but because it helps demonstrate that your foreign residence remains your primary home. The flexibility to spend more time with family in the US is exactly why Bona Fide Residence can be superior to Physical Presence for people in your situation.

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Your situation looks really solid for the Bona Fide Residence Test! As someone who made a similar switch a few years ago, I'd say go for it. Your permanent resident visa and property lease are huge advantages. One quick tip - when you file Form 2555 using Bona Fide for the first time, make sure to attach a brief explanation of your living situation. I included a one-page summary with mine explaining my visa status, housing arrangement, and community ties. It probably wasn't necessary, but it gave me peace of mind and I never heard anything back from the IRS. The freedom to spend more time in the US is worth it. I went from being stressed about every trip home to being able to attend family events without constantly counting days. Just keep your foreign residence as your clear primary home and you should be fine. Also, don't overthink the local tax situation - many expats are in similar positions where they don't owe local taxes on foreign income. The IRS understands this is common with different countries' tax systems.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about that one-page explanation you mentioned - what specific details did you include? I'm thinking of doing something similar when I make the switch. Did you focus more on the legal requirements (visa type, property ownership) or the practical aspects (community involvement, daily life routine)? I want to be thorough but not overwhelm them with unnecessary information.

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Paloma Clark

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I went through this exact situation two months ago with an offset for old federal student loans. The frustrating part is that WMR really is the last system to get updated - I think it took 8 days in my case before it finally showed my actual remaining amount instead of the original full refund. What helped me was setting up text alerts with my bank so I'd know immediately when the remainder hit my account (which happened 2 days before WMR even updated). The offset notice from BFS came about 5 days after my refund was initially approved, and it had all the details about exactly how much was taken and who got it. My advice is to focus more on watching your bank account than refreshing WMR - the money will likely arrive before the tool catches up with reality.

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Avery Flores

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This is really helpful advice about setting up bank alerts! I'm dealing with my first offset situation and honestly didn't even think about monitoring my bank account instead of obsessively checking WMR. It makes so much sense that the actual money would arrive before their system updates. Did you get any advance notice about the offset amount before it happened, or was it a complete surprise when you saw the approval with the offset message?

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Ethan Brown

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Based on my experience with offsets, WMR typically takes 5-10 business days to reflect the correct remaining amount after an offset is processed. The system seems to prioritize showing your refund status over updating the specific dollar amounts when there's an offset involved. I'd recommend checking your tax transcript on the IRS website - it usually shows the offset details (codes 898 and 776) within 1-2 days of processing, which gives you the exact breakdown while you wait for WMR to catch up. Also keep in mind that your remaining refund will likely be deposited before WMR updates to show the new amount, so don't panic if the tool still shows confusing information even after you receive your money.

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This is exactly what I needed to hear as someone new to dealing with offsets! I've been checking WMR obsessively since getting my approval notice with the offset message three days ago. The transcript suggestion is really helpful - I didn't even know I could check that for more detailed information. It's reassuring to know that the money usually arrives before WMR updates, because I was starting to worry that something was wrong with my refund processing. Thanks for breaking down those specific codes (898 and 776) - I'll look for those on my transcript instead of driving myself crazy refreshing WMR every few hours.

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