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I'm confused about the whole 1099-NEC vs 1099-MISC thing still. I paid a contractor $1200 last year for some website work. Do I need to file the NEC or MISC version? And do the red form requirements apply to both?
You need the 1099-NEC for contractor payments. The IRS moved independent contractor payments from the 1099-MISC to the 1099-NEC form a few years ago specifically to separate them from other miscellaneous payments. Yes, the red form requirement applies to both if you're paper filing. Both forms have the red Copy A that goes to the IRS. But honestly, with just one form to file, an electronic service would be much easier than dealing with the paper forms.
Just wanted to add another perspective here - I've been dealing with 1099 forms for my small business for years, and I think you're right to be frustrated with the red form situation. It really does feel outdated in 2025! One thing that might help is checking if your local library has computers with tax software installed. Many libraries offer free access to programs like TurboTax Business or H&R Block that can handle 1099 printing. You could bring your red forms there and print directly onto them using their equipment. Also, if you're planning to hire contractors regularly in the future, it might be worth investing in basic accounting software like QuickBooks Simple Start. It's around $15/month and handles all the 1099 reporting automatically throughout the year, then can either e-file for you or print perfectly onto the red forms. Much less stressful than scrambling every January! The electronic filing options people mentioned are definitely the way to go for a one-off situation though. Good luck getting this sorted out!
That's a really helpful suggestion about the library! I never would have thought of that. I'm definitely leaning toward one of the electronic filing services that others mentioned, but it's good to know there are local resources available too. The QuickBooks idea makes sense for the future - I'm hoping my freelance work grows enough to justify the monthly cost. Thanks for the practical advice!
I'm confused about something else with these apps...If I sell stuff on Facebook and they pay me through Venmo, isn't that different than just sending money to friends? My brother says I should be keeping track of all that for taxes.
Your brother is right! Selling items on Facebook and getting paid through Venmo is considered income and is different from personal transfers. If you receive more than $600 total for selling items this way in a year, Venmo is supposed to send you a 1099-K form. Even if you don't get a 1099-K, you're still legally required to report the income on your tax return. You can deduct your original cost of the items to reduce the taxable amount - you're only taxed on the profit. Keep good records of what you paid originally and what you sold items for!
One thing that might help clarify this for everyone - the IRS has actually published guidance specifically about payment apps in Publication 525. The key distinction they make is between "personal payments" and "payment for goods and services." Personal payments include: - Splitting a dinner bill - Paying your share of rent to a roommate - Reimbursing someone for concert tickets - Birthday gifts or holiday money - Loan repayments between friends/family These are NOT taxable income to the recipient, regardless of amount or frequency. Business payments include: - Selling items (even personal items for profit) - Freelance work payments - Service payments (babysitting, tutoring, etc.) - Any payment where you're providing goods/services The $600 reporting threshold only applies to business payments. For personal payments, there's no reporting requirement at any amount level. The confusion often comes from people mixing these two categories or not understanding that selling your old stuff online counts as business income if you sell it for more than you paid.
This is super helpful! I've been so confused about this whole thing, but your breakdown makes it crystal clear. I think I was overthinking it because I kept reading conflicting information online. So basically, all those Zelle transfers I mentioned in my original post (splitting rent, paying back for concert tickets, vacation expenses) are just personal payments and I don't need to worry about reporting them at all? That's such a relief! I was starting to panic thinking I'd been doing something wrong tax-wise all this time.
Quick question for anyone who's done this: Do you have to file Form 3115 with your regular tax return or is it submitted separately? And does it need to be mailed or can it be e-filed?
Form 3115 is actually filed in TWO places - you attach the original to your timely filed tax return (including extensions) for the year of change. Then you also have to send a COPY to the IRS national office in Ogden, UT. The copy to the national office must be sent at least 90 days before your tax return is filed. And as far as I know, even if you e-file your return, you still have to mail a physical copy of the 3115 to the Ogden address. It's one of those weird IRS quirks that hasn't caught up with the digital age yet.
I went through almost the exact same situation last year - depreciation correction from 39-year to 27.5-year schedule on rental property improvements. The $1,200 fee is definitely steep, but honestly it was worth it for me. What really helped was getting multiple quotes. I ended up finding a CPA who specialized in Form 3115 filings and only charged $850. The key is finding someone who does these regularly - they have templates and processes that make it much more efficient than a generalist who might be starting from scratch. One thing to consider: make sure your current CPA is experienced with 3115s specifically. I initially went with my regular tax preparer who quoted $1,400 and admitted she'd only done "a few" of these forms. Ended up switching to someone who does dozens per year and got better service for less money. Also, don't forget that the professional fee is likely deductible as a tax preparation expense. So your actual out-of-pocket cost is reduced by your marginal tax rate. In my case, the $850 fee only cost me about $640 after tax savings. The refund took about 5 months to arrive, but it was exactly what we calculated. Worth the wait and the professional fee!
This is really helpful advice about shopping around for specialists! I'm curious - how did you find a CPA who specifically specializes in Form 3115s? Did you just call around asking, or is there some directory or way to search for tax professionals by specialty? I'm definitely interested in getting multiple quotes now, especially if I can find someone who does these regularly and might be more efficient (and cheaper) than my current CPA.
make sure u update ur address on IRS website if u moved recently. They wont forward refund checks!!
Same thing happened to me last year! The waiting is the worst part. Just to add to what others said - you can also call the IRS refund hotline at 1-800-829-1954 to check the status once it's been about 10 business days since the bank rejection. They'll be able to tell you if they've processed it for a paper check yet. Hang in there! š¤
Jordan Walker
I've been using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator for a few years now and can confirm what others have said - definitely use your GROSS pay amounts. One thing I'd add is to be really careful about timing when you run the calculator. I always wait until I have at least 2-3 recent paystubs from the current year to get more accurate year-to-date numbers, especially if you got a raise or bonus early in the year. Also, don't forget to update your estimates if your situation changes during the year (new job, marriage, kids, etc.). I run it twice a year - once in spring and once in fall - just to make sure I'm still on track. Better to catch any issues early than get surprised at tax time!
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Ravi Choudhury
ā¢That's really smart advice about timing and running it twice a year! I never thought about waiting for multiple paystubs before using the calculator. I've been making the mistake of trying to use it right after New Year's with just one paystub, which probably explains why my estimates seemed off. Do you have a specific month you prefer for your spring and fall check-ins, or do you just go by when major life changes happen?
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Raul Neal
ā¢@Jordan Walker I usually do my spring check around late March/early April before (the tax deadline so I can still make estimated payments if needed and) my fall check in September or October. Those timing windows work well because by spring you have a good chunk of the year s'data, and fall gives you time to adjust your W-4 for the last few months if needed. The key is having enough paystubs to see patterns - like if your overtime varies seasonally or if annual bonuses affect your withholding calculations. I learned this the hard way after using just one January paystub and ending up way off on my projections!
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Chloe Harris
Great thread everyone! I just wanted to add a tip that helped me a lot - when you're entering your gross pay in the Tax Withholding Estimator, make sure to double-check that you're looking at the right line on your paystub. My paystub has like 6 different numbers that could be "gross pay" but only one is the actual total gross before ANY deductions (including pre-tax stuff like health insurance and 401k contributions). I was accidentally using my "taxable gross" which excludes pre-tax deductions, and that threw off my whole calculation. The IRS tool wants your TRUE gross - the very top number before anything comes out. Once I figured that out, my withholding estimates became much more accurate and I stopped getting those scary "you may owe money" warnings from the calculator!
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