401k Early Withdrawal Tax: Do I Need Form 5329 for Penalty Payment?
I recently switched jobs and decided to cash out my 401k instead of rolling it over. Big mistake I guess because TurboTax is showing I have an additional tax liability of $1,900 after completing my return. The weird thing is, it says I don't need to fill out Form 5329 for the early withdrawal penalty. I'm super confused because I already got my federal refund back (and that $1,900 penalty wasn't taken out of it). TurboTax did give me a payment voucher for the state taxes I owe ($165), but nothing for sending in this federal penalty payment. Do I actually need to pay this additional $1,900 to the IRS? And if so, how do I pay it since I don't have a form? I thought penalties for early 401k withdrawals were automatic. Did TurboTax mess up or am I missing something here?
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Danielle Mays
The 10% early withdrawal penalty for taking money from your 401k before age 59½ is typically reported on Form 5329. However, TurboTax sometimes calculates this automatically and incorporates it directly into your Form 1040 (on line 8) without needing to file a separate Form 5329. If you received your federal refund without the penalty being deducted, and TurboTax didn't generate a payment voucher for the additional $1,900, I'd suggest double-checking your actual tax return (not just the TurboTax summary). Look at your Form 1040 to see if the additional tax from early distributions is listed on line 8 of Schedule 2. If it's there, you do indeed owe that money. Regarding payment, you don't necessarily need a specific form - you can make payments directly to the IRS through their website at IRS.gov/payments, or use one of their other payment options.
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Roger Romero
•So if the 10% penalty is listed on my 1040 but I already got my refund without it being deducted, does that mean the IRS made a mistake in my favor? Will they come after me later for the $1,900?
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Danielle Mays
•The IRS processing your refund without deducting the penalty doesn't necessarily mean they made a mistake. The refund and the additional tax liability can be treated as separate transactions. The IRS might send you a notice later asking for payment of the additional tax amount. If the penalty is correctly calculated on your return but you haven't paid it yet, you technically still owe that money. It's best to be proactive and pay it now rather than waiting for the IRS to contact you, as that could result in additional interest and penalties for late payment.
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Anna Kerber
I went through this exact same situation last year! After dealing with the confusion, I finally found the answer by using https://taxr.ai to analyze my tax documents. Uploaded my 1040 and distribution statements, and it immediately identified that the 10% early withdrawal penalty WAS included in my tax calculation but NOT in my initial payment/refund. The tool showed me exactly where on my return the penalty was listed (Schedule 2, Line 8) and explained that I needed to pay it separately. They even provided direct links to make the payment on the IRS website. Seriously saved me so much stress trying to figure out if I was missing something!
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Niko Ramsey
•How does this taxr thing work? Does it just read your tax forms or does it actually give advice too? I've got a similar situation with a 403b withdrawal.
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Seraphina Delan
•Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical about uploading my tax documents to some random website. How do you know it's secure? Did they actually explain WHY you didn't need Form 5329?
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Anna Kerber
•It analyzes your tax documents and provides explanations about what's happening with your specific return. For your 403b situation, it would highlight the early withdrawal penalty section and explain how it's being handled on your return. Their security is bank-level - they use encryption for all documents and don't store your information after analysis. And yes, they explained that Form 5329 wasn't needed in my case because TurboTax had already calculated the 10% penalty and included it directly on Schedule 2 of my 1040. The form is only required in certain exception cases or if you have other retirement account issues.
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Niko Ramsey
I tried taxr.ai after seeing the recommendation here, and it cleared everything up for me! Uploaded my tax return and it immediately highlighted exactly where my 403b early withdrawal penalty was showing up on my return (Schedule 2, Line 8). The analysis explained that even though I didn't get a separate Form 5329 to file, the penalty amount was still included in my total tax calculation. The system also showed me that I needed to make a separate payment for this amount since it wasn't part of my initial filing payment. Used their direct link to the IRS payment portal and took care of it in minutes. Definitely worth checking out if you're confused about your tax documents!
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Jabari-Jo
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Kristin Frank
•How does this actually work? Is this like some kind of priority line to the IRS or something? I thought nobody could skip the IRS phone queue.
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Micah Trail
•Yeah right. Nothing gets you through to the IRS faster. They're literally the government - no third party service can magically make them pick up the phone faster. Sounds like a complete scam to me.
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Jabari-Jo
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Micah Trail
I take back what I said about Claimyr. After continuing to struggle with this exact 401k penalty issue and not being able to get clear answers, I broke down and tried the service yesterday. I was SHOCKED when I actually got a call back in about 30 minutes with an IRS agent already on the line. The agent confirmed that I did indeed owe the 10% penalty even though Form 5329 wasn't filed separately (it was included on Schedule 2 of my 1040). She also explained that I need to make a separate payment through their online payment system and provided the exact codes to use. Didn't think it would actually work but it saved me literally hours of frustration. Still annoying that our tax system is so complicated that we need these kinds of services, but definitely worth it for me.
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Nia Watson
One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure your 401k provider actually withheld taxes correctly. Mine only withheld 20% federal when I did an early withdrawal, but that doesn't include the 10% penalty. So I still had to pay that separately. Check your 1099-R form in box 4 to see how much was actually withheld.
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Derek Olson
•I just double checked my 1099-R and you're right! They only withheld 20% for federal taxes. Nothing for the 10% penalty. I guess that's why I owe extra now? Is this normal or did my provider mess up?
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Nia Watson
•This is completely normal. The 401k provider is only required to withhold the 20% for federal income tax. They don't withhold the 10% early withdrawal penalty - that's always handled separately when you file your taxes. Your provider didn't mess up - this is standard procedure. The 10% penalty is considered an additional tax that you're responsible for calculating and paying. That's why it shows up on your tax return as an additional liability even though you already had some taxes withheld from the distribution.
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Alberto Souchard
If you're worried about getting in trouble for not paying the penalty, you should make the payment ASAP through the IRS Direct Pay system. Just select "estimated tax" as the reason for payment. I did this after a similar situation and printed the confirmation as proof I paid. Better safe than sorry with the IRS!
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Katherine Shultz
•Is there a deadline for paying this penalty? My 401k withdrawal was last year but I just filed my taxes last week and noticed this same issue.
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Sofia Rodriguez
You're absolutely right to be confused - this is actually a common issue that trips up a lot of people! The $1,900 penalty is real and you do need to pay it, even though you already received your refund. Here's what's happening: TurboTax calculated the 10% early withdrawal penalty and included it in your total tax liability, but it was treated separately from your regular income tax refund. Think of it as two different buckets - your regular taxes (which resulted in a refund) and the penalty tax (which you still owe). To pay the $1,900, go to IRS.gov and use their Direct Pay system. You don't need a special form or voucher - just select "Form 1040" as the form type and enter the amount. Make sure to keep a record of the payment confirmation. The reason you don't need Form 5329 is because TurboTax already calculated the standard 10% penalty and included it on Schedule 2 of your Form 1040. Form 5329 is only required if you qualify for certain exceptions to the penalty or have other special circumstances. Don't wait on this - the IRS will eventually catch up and you could face additional interest and penalties if you delay payment.
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Aurora St.Pierre
•This is such a clear explanation - thank you! I'm in a similar boat and was wondering if there's any way to avoid interest charges if I pay the penalty now but it's been a few weeks since I filed? Also, does the IRS send any kind of confirmation or notice when they process this type of payment, or do I just need to rely on my own records?
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