EDD misconduct definition - husband terminated unfairly, will he be denied unemployment?
My husband just got fired from his carpentry job after 3 years with the same company. His boss is claiming "misconduct" but all that happened was he had two tardies in one week because our car broke down. Now I'm worried he'll be denied unemployment benefits. The termination letter just says "violation of attendance policy" but makes it sound way worse than it was. Can anyone explain what actually counts as misconduct for EDD purposes? Will he automatically be denied? We have a mortgage and two kids, so we're really stressed about this. He's already applying for new jobs but it might take a while in his industry right now.
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Leeann Blackstein
For EDD purposes, misconduct is much more serious than what you're describing. It typically means deliberately violating a reasonable employer policy, repeatedly disregarding warnings, or doing something clearly harmful to the business. Two tardies due to car trouble isn't going to meet that threshold - that's just regular termination, not misconduct. Have your husband apply for benefits right away. Make sure he's honest about the reason for termination. The EDD will contact the employer who might try to contest it by claiming misconduct, but based on what you've shared, your husband should still qualify. Be prepared that there might be a phone interview with an EDD representative to sort out the details.
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Liv Park
•Thank you! That makes me feel so much better. He's going to apply today. Should he mention the car troubles specifically on the application or just wait for the interview?
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Ryder Greene
ur husband should be fine i got fired for waaaaay worse (came back late from lunch 3x) and still got benefits. just make sure he dsnt lie about anything cuz that will 100% get him denied
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Liv Park
•That's reassuring to hear! He's pretty stressed about the whole situation. Did you have to do a phone interview with EDD?
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Carmella Fromis
Misconduct for EDD purposes requires four elements: 1. The action must be deliberate (not accidental) 2. There must be a substantial disregard for employer interests 3. The policy violated must be reasonable 4. There must be harm or potential harm to the employer Based on what you described, your husband's situation doesn't meet these criteria. Car breakdowns are outside his control, and two tardies don't show a pattern of disregard for employer interests. Have him apply immediately and be honest. If the employer contests it (which they might), he'll need to attend an eligibility interview. Make sure he can document that the car broke down - repair receipts, tow truck invoices, etc. would be helpful proof that the tardiness wasn't willful misconduct.
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Liv Park
•This is incredibly helpful! I didn't realize misconduct had such specific criteria. We do have the mechanic receipt actually, so I'll make sure he keeps that handy. Thank you!
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Theodore Nelson
my brother had the EXACT same thing happen last year!!! his boss tried to say he had misconduct because he missed 2 days when his kid was sick. EDD still approved him but it took forever to get the money. like 6 weeks!!! so just be prepared it might take a while
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AaliyahAli
•Yeah the EDD is SOOO SLOW with everything these days. I was on hold for THREE HOURS last week trying to fix an issue with my claim. And then they hung up on me when it was finally my turn! The whole system is broken!!!
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Ellie Simpson
If you're dealing with this situation, try using Claimyr to reach an EDD representative quickly. It helped me get through when I had a similar issue with my employer contesting my claim. Normally you'd spend hours calling and redialing, but Claimyr got me connected in about 25 minutes. Once I got through, the rep explained exactly what qualifies as misconduct and helped me address my employer's claims. You can see how it works at claimyr.com or watch the demo at https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10?si=TSwYbu_GOwYzt9km. It was definitely worth it to get my case resolved instead of waiting weeks for a determination.
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Ryder Greene
•does that actually work? i hate calling edd they always say "we're experiencing high call volume" and hang up on me
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Ellie Simpson
•It did for me! I had tried calling on my own for 3 days with no luck. The system does the auto-redial for you until it gets through. I still had to wait on hold after connecting, but at least I didn't have to keep redialing manually for hours.
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Arjun Kurti
WAIT - did your husband have ANY previous warnings for attendance before these two tardies? That could be important. If he had prior disciplinary actions for attendance AND then had two more incidents, some employers might consider that the final straw in a pattern of behavior. The EDD looks at the whole employment history, not just the final incident. You should check if he had any written warnings in his file before this happened. This could affect whether EDD considers it misconduct.
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Liv Park
•He did get a verbal warning about 8 months ago for calling out sick without a doctor's note, but there was nothing written. Does a verbal warning count?
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Arjun Kurti
•A verbal warning from 8 months ago for something unrelated (calling in sick vs. being late) shouldn't be enough to establish a pattern of misconduct. Especially if there was nothing in writing. Your husband should mention it if asked directly during the eligibility interview, but it's unlikely to affect the outcome.
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AaliyahAli
Everyone here is WRONG. My cousin's husband got fired for being late ONCE and they denied his claim instantly! The EDD always sides with employers these days. They're just looking for reasons to deny people. He appealed and it took FIVE MONTHS to get approved. They don't care if you have bills to pay!
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Leeann Blackstein
•There must have been more to that situation. A single tardiness would not qualify as misconduct under EDD guidelines. Either there were previous incidents that established a pattern, or the employer claimed something more serious happened. The appeal likely succeeded because the tardiness alone wasn't sufficient grounds for denial. To the original poster: Most initial EDD determinations are made correctly. While appeals can take time, they do work when the facts support the claimant's case.
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AaliyahAli
•Well all I know is what my cousin told me and they made him wait forever for no reason. The system is rigged against workers.
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Carmella Fromis
Based on your follow-up comments, I think your husband has a strong case. Here's what he should do: 1. Apply for UI benefits immediately 2. Answer all questions truthfully 3. If asked about the reason for separation, he can choose "discharged/fired" and briefly explain it was due to two instances of tardiness caused by car problems 4. Keep the mechanic receipt ready as evidence 5. Be prepared for an eligibility interview (these are typically scheduled 2-3 weeks after filing) 6. During the interview, stay calm and factual - explain the circumstances without being negative about the former employer A single verbal warning from 8 months ago about a different issue shouldn't establish a pattern of willful misconduct. The key is showing that the tardiness was beyond his reasonable control, which car trouble certainly is.
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Liv Park
•Thank you so much for this detailed advice! He's filling out the application right now. I'm feeling much more confident about our chances now. Will update once we hear something!
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Ryder Greene
hey just wonderin did your husband get his final paycheck yet? dont forget they have to pay him for any unused vacation days too
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Liv Park
•Yes, he did get his final check with the vacation payout yesterday. At least they didn't mess that part up! Thanks for checking.
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