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Giovanni Martello

EDD hearing for COVID UI overpayment - evidence deadline issue - need urgent advice

Hey everyone, I'm freaking out. My brother just got a notice for an EDD phone hearing about UI overpayment from 2020 (COVID era) scheduled for THIS Wednesday. They claim he didn't report his earnings correctly when getting unemployment during the shelter-in-place orders when his office in San Jose was completely shut down. The crazy part is that the deadline to submit evidence is THE SAME DAY he received the notice in the mail!!! How is that even legal? He has all his pay stubs and documentation proving his workplace was closed, but now he's panicking about the evidence submission deadline. Has anyone dealt with this? Can he still submit evidence at the hearing itself? Any suggestions on how to handle this overpayment situation from the COVID period?

That sounds like a classic EDD mess-up with notice timing. Your brother needs to call IMMEDIATELY and explain the situation. Take photos of the postmarked envelope and the notice showing the impossible timeline. During the hearing, he should calmly explain that he received inadequate notice to prepare and request a continuance. I've been through two EDD hearings (one for disability, one for UI) and judges are usually reasonable about procedural fairness issues like this.

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Thank you! I'll tell him to document everything with the envelope. Should he still try submitting the evidence anyway even though it's technically past the deadline?

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I had an overpayment case from 2020 too. The key is to focus on the "good faith" argument. If your brother genuinely believed he was reporting correctly during the chaotic COVID period, mention that repeatedly. Judges understand that the rules were confusing then, especially with PUA and regular UI differences. Make sure he mentions specific dates his workplace was closed due to local health orders - that carries weight. And yes, bring ALL documentation even if "late" - most judges will still consider it.

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That's really helpful. He definitely thought he was reporting correctly - the whole system was so confusing back then with the different programs and changing rules.

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i had simlar thing happen and the judge was actualy pretty nice. they let me expalin my side even tho i didnt have all my paperwrk ready. make sure ur brother stays calm and doesnt get defensive that makes things worse!!!!

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That's reassuring to hear! He tends to get worked up easily so I'll remind him to stay calm during the call.

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Tell your brother to DEMAND A CONTINUANCE the moment the hearing starts!!! EDD is NOTORIOUS for sending notices late to trick people into missing deadlines. It's a TACTIC they use!!!! I know DOZENS of people who got screwed by this exact same thing. They DON'T CARE that it was during COVID when everything was chaos. They just want their money back!!!! The system is RIGGED against us!!!

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I don't think it's a deliberate tactic... the mail system has been super backed up and EDD is understaffed. But I do agree about requesting a continuance right away - that's 100% the right first step.

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Former ALJ clerk here. Your brother should do the following: 1) Call the Appeals office first thing tomorrow morning and explain the notice timing issue. Request that this information be added to his case notes for the judge to see. 2) Submit whatever evidence he has anyway, even if it's past the deadline. Include a cover letter explaining the late notice situation. 3) At the start of the hearing, politely request a continuance based on inadequate notice time. 4) If continuance is denied, focus on the "good cause" requirements for the COVID period. Emphasize any confusion about reporting requirements during that unprecedented time. The judge will be looking at whether there was willful misrepresentation or genuine confusion.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you! Is there a specific good cause form he needs to fill out or just explain verbally during the hearing?

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No specific form needed for the hearing itself - he can explain verbally. However, if he's submitting late evidence, he should include a brief written explanation about the notice timing with that submission. Also, make sure he's thoroughly prepared to discuss his work situation during the specific weeks in question - exact dates of closure, any partial work, etc. The more specific, the better.

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My cousin went through something similar! The EDD is going after so many people for COVID-era benefits now. It's ridiculous considering how confusing everything was back then. She sent in her evidence the day before her hearing and they still accepted it. Just make sure your brother faxes everything if possible since that gives you confirmation it was received. Good luck!

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That's good to know they still accepted late evidence! I'll tell him to fax everything tomorrow. Did your cousin end up having to repay anything?

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She had to repay about half of what they initially claimed. The judge found she made some honest mistakes but not on all the weeks they were claiming. The hearing was actually way less intimidating than she expected.

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Just wanted to share that I've been in a similar situation trying to reach EDD about an overpayment issue (mine was SDI, not UI, but same department). I was getting nowhere with their regular phone lines - constant disconnects or hours on hold. I finally used Claimyr.com which got me through to an actual EDD agent in about 20 minutes. They have this video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/1X-mEsLtbmQ?si=1hcSq3KFtCr4oAmd It helped me get my overpayment reduced significantly because I was able to explain my situation to an actual person before my hearing. Might be worth a try for your brother since time is so short.

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I second this recommendation. I used Claimyr for a similar situation and it saved me a ton of stress. Getting through to an actual human at EDD before your hearing can make a huge difference since they can sometimes note things in your file for the judge to see.

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Thank you! I'll definitely check this out. He's been trying to call them with no luck, so this might really help.

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Something to consider - if your brother's workplace was fully closed due to COVID health orders in San Jose, that's actually a very strong defense. There were specific provisions for people who couldn't work due to local health mandates. Make sure he mentions the specific Santa Clara County health orders that affected his workplace and specific dates. Even if he made reporting errors, if he genuinely couldn't work due to government orders, he might have a solid case.

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That's a great point. His entire office was shut down under the Santa Clara County orders from March through July 2020. I'll tell him to specifically cite those orders.

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Just to add one more thought - if your brother ends up having to repay, he can request a waiver of overpayment if repaying would cause financial hardship. There's a specific form for this (DE 1446W). Worth knowing about as a backup plan.

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Thank you! I didn't know about the waiver option. I'll definitely have him look into that if things don't go well with the hearing.

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ALSO!!! Make SURE he records the hearing if California law allows it!!! They will try to twist his words and having a recording protects him!!!

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Important clarification: In California, EDD hearings are already recorded by the judge. Participants are not permitted to make their own recordings without prior approval. Instead, focus on taking detailed notes during the hearing.

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One last bit of advice - I found it really helpful to create a simple timeline document showing exactly what happened when. Include dates of workplace closure, when he applied for benefits, when he received payments, any communication with EDD, etc. Having this organized chronologically made my hearing go much more smoothly since I wasn't struggling to remember dates and details while nervous.

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That's brilliant! I'll help him put together a timeline tonight. Thanks again for all your help - feeling much less panicked about this now.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who went through a similar EDD overpayment hearing last year, I wanted to add that your brother should also be prepared to explain WHY he reported things the way he did during those specific weeks. The judges really focus on intent - whether mistakes were honest errors vs. deliberate misrepresentation. During COVID, so many of us were confused about partial work reporting, especially with the constantly changing guidance. If he has any emails or screenshots from EDD's website showing confusing or contradictory instructions from that time period, bring those too. The pandemic created unprecedented situations that the system wasn't designed for, and most judges understand that. Wishing your brother the best of luck!

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