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Dmitry Smirnov

Who can file a UCC lien - confused about authorized parties and requirements

I'm working on a commercial equipment financing deal and getting conflicting information about who exactly has the authority to file UCC liens. My business partner says only the actual lender can file, but I've seen situations where law firms or service companies handle the filings on behalf of the secured party. Does the filer need to be the creditor listed on the UCC-1, or can authorized agents submit these documents? Also wondering about power of attorney situations - if someone has POA for a business, can they file UCC liens on behalf of that entity? This is for equipment worth about $340K so want to make sure we follow proper procedures. The SBA loan paperwork mentions UCC filings but doesn't specify who should actually submit them to the secretary of state. Any guidance on the authorized parties and proper filing authority would be really helpful.

In most states, the secured party (lender) OR their authorized agent can file UCC-1 statements. The key is having proper authorization. Law firms, filing services, and even borrowers can file on behalf of the secured party if they have written authorization. The filer doesn't have to be the actual creditor listed in the secured party field.

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Ava Johnson

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This is correct. We file UCC liens for our bank clients all the time as their authorized agent. Just need documentation of the authorization.

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Miguel Diaz

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Wait, borrowers can file their own UCC liens against themselves? That seems backwards to me.

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Zainab Ahmed

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For your $340K equipment deal, either you as the lender, your attorney, or a UCC filing service can submit the documents. The important thing is accuracy - debtor name must match exactly with their legal business name, and the collateral description needs to be specific enough to identify the equipment but not so narrow it misses anything.

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Thanks, that helps clarify. So as long as we have authorization documentation, our law firm can handle the actual filing process?

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Zainab Ahmed

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Exactly. Most law firms prefer to handle UCC filings themselves to ensure everything is done correctly and on time.

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Connor Byrne

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Just went through this headache last month! Our filing got rejected because there was a tiny discrepancy between the debtor name on our UCC-1 and their actual corporate registration. Had to spend hours comparing documents manually to figure out what went wrong. Finally found a tool called Certana.ai that lets you upload your corporate docs and UCC forms to automatically verify everything matches before filing. Saved us from another rejection.

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Yara Abboud

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Name mismatches are the worst! How does that Certana thing work exactly?

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Connor Byrne

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You just upload PDFs of your charter documents and your UCC-1 draft, and it cross-checks all the names and details automatically. Shows you exactly what doesn't match so you can fix it before submitting to the state.

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PixelPioneer

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That sounds useful. We've had rejections for stupid punctuation differences before.

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Regarding POA situations - yes, someone with power of attorney can generally file UCC liens on behalf of the business entity, but you need to check the specific language in the POA document. Some POAs exclude secured transaction activities or require special authorization for UCC filings.

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Good point about checking the POA language. I'll review that carefully before proceeding.

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Paolo Rizzo

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Also make sure the POA is still valid and hasn't been revoked. We've seen issues where old POAs were used for filings.

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Amina Sy

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The secretary of state doesn't really care WHO files as long as the information is accurate and the filing fee is paid. They're not verifying authorization - that's between the parties involved. But obviously you want proper authorization to avoid legal issues later.

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True, but if there's ever a dispute about the filing, having clear authorization documentation protects everyone involved.

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Yeah the SOS is just processing paperwork. They assume whoever is filing has the right to do so.

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NebulaNomad

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For SBA loans specifically, the lender typically handles all UCC filings as part of their standard closing procedures. They want to control the process to ensure their lien position is properly perfected. Your loan docs probably give them authority to file on your behalf.

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That makes sense. I'll check our loan agreement language about UCC filing authority.

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Javier Garcia

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SBA lenders are usually pretty experienced with UCC filings since it's required for most equipment loans.

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Emma Taylor

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Just make sure they actually do it! We've seen deals where everyone assumed someone else was handling the UCC filing.

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One thing to watch out for - some states have specific requirements about who can file electronically vs. paper filings. In a few states, only certain types of users can access the electronic filing systems directly.

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Which states have those restrictions? I thought most were pretty open now.

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It varies, but some still require registration or have different fee structures for different types of filers. Best to check with your specific state's SOS office.

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Don't overthink this. As long as you have proper authorization and accurate information, you're good to go. The bigger issue is making sure your collateral description properly covers all the equipment and that debtor names are exactly right.

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CosmosCaptain

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Agree on the collateral description being critical. Too vague and you might not have a perfected security interest.

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We always do a test filing first with a small amount to make sure everything processes correctly.

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Omar Fawzi

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I had a similar confusion when I started doing commercial lending. The authorized agent concept threw me off at first, but it actually makes the process much more flexible. Filing services exist specifically because they can handle this stuff for multiple lenders efficiently.

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Chloe Wilson

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Filing services are great if you don't do many UCCs. They know all the state-specific quirks.

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Diego Mendoza

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Just make sure any service you use has good accuracy rates. A rejected filing can mess up your lien priority.

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Bottom line: secured party, their attorney, authorized filing service, or anyone with written authorization can file. The key is having that authorization documented and making sure all the details are accurate before submission.

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Perfect summary, thanks everyone. This has been really helpful in understanding the authorization requirements.

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StellarSurfer

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Just remember to keep copies of all authorization documents in your loan file for compliance purposes.

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Sean Kelly

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And double-check everything before filing! I've learned that lesson the hard way.

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Aisha Hussain

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Great discussion here! Just to add one more perspective - if you're working with equipment financing regularly, it's worth establishing relationships with reliable UCC filing services. They can handle multi-state filings efficiently and often catch errors that might slip through if you're doing it manually. For your $340K deal, the cost of professional filing is minimal compared to the risk of getting it wrong. Also, consider setting up a system to track filing dates and renewal deadlines - UCC-1 statements typically need to be continued every 5 years to maintain perfection.

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Malia Ponder

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This is excellent advice, especially about the renewal tracking! I've seen too many deals where people forget about the 5-year continuation requirement and lose their perfected security interest. Setting up calendar reminders or using a loan management system that tracks UCC renewals automatically is crucial for portfolio lenders. The professional filing service route makes a lot of sense for complex deals like this - they usually have good relationships with the various state offices and can expedite things if needed.

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Sayid Hassan

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As someone new to commercial lending, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I need to file UCCs for multiple equipment loans across different states. One question I have - when using filing services, do they typically provide confirmation of successful filing immediately, or is there a delay? Also, for equipment that might be moved between states during the loan term (like construction equipment), do you need to file in multiple states upfront or can you amend later when the equipment relocates? The multi-state aspect seems like it could get complicated quickly, especially with different state requirements and fees.

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Great questions! Most professional filing services provide same-day electronic confirmation when filings are accepted by the state systems, usually within a few hours. For the multi-state equipment issue, you typically file where the equipment is located at the time of the transaction. If equipment moves permanently to another state, you generally have 4 months to file a new UCC in the destination state to maintain perfection (this varies by state though). For mobile equipment like construction machinery, some lenders file in multiple states upfront if they know the equipment will be moving around regularly. It's definitely more complex than single-state deals, but filing services that specialize in this can help navigate the different state requirements and timing rules.

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Ravi Sharma

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Adding to Harper's excellent response - I'd strongly recommend working with a filing service that has experience with mobile equipment. They can set up a monitoring system to track when equipment crosses state lines and automatically handle the continuation filings. For construction equipment specifically, some states have special provisions for "mobile goods" that can simplify the process. Also worth noting that the 4-month rule Harper mentioned can vary - some states give you only 60 days, so it's critical to know the specific requirements for each jurisdiction where your equipment might operate. The upfront cost of filing in multiple states is usually worth it for peace of mind, especially on a $340K deal where you can't afford gaps in perfection.

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Zainab Yusuf

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This thread has covered the authorization aspects really well, but I'd add one practical tip from my experience with equipment financing - always request a certified copy of the UCC filing from the secretary of state once it's processed. Many lenders just rely on the filing service's confirmation, but having the official state-certified copy in your loan file is crucial for enforcement later. Also, for SBA deals specifically, make sure your UCC filing is coordinated with any required personal guaranty UCCs - sometimes the personal and business filings need to be done simultaneously to avoid gaps in coverage. The SBA has specific requirements about perfection timing that can affect the guarantee, so don't just assume your business UCC filing alone is sufficient.

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Excellent point about getting certified copies! I learned this the hard way when we had to enforce a security interest and the court wanted official documentation, not just our filing service confirmation. The certified copy also helps if there are ever questions about the exact filing date or content. On the SBA coordination aspect - that's something I hadn't considered but makes total sense. Do you typically file the personal guaranty UCCs at the same time as the business equipment UCC, or is there a specific sequence that works best? I'm assuming the timing could affect lien priority if there are other creditors involved.

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