UCC Section 308 compliance issues with debtor name changes - need guidance
Running into a wall here with Section 308 requirements and I'm honestly not sure if I'm overthinking this or missing something critical. We have a commercial borrower who legally changed their entity name 18 months ago (LLC conversion from partnership) and I'm trying to figure out the proper UCC continuation strategy under Section 308. The original UCC-1 was filed under the old partnership name back in 2019, and we've got a continuation coming due in 4 months. Here's where it gets messy - the debtor insists their new LLC name should be used for the continuation, but I'm reading conflicting guidance about whether Section 308 allows this or if we need to file an amendment first to update the debtor name, then do the continuation. The collateral is manufacturing equipment worth about $340K so getting this wrong isn't really an option. Has anyone dealt with Section 308 name change issues during continuation filings? The SOS website isn't exactly crystal clear on the sequence requirements.
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Diego Mendoza
Section 308 can be tricky with name changes during continuation periods. Generally you want to file a UCC-3 amendment to update the debtor name BEFORE doing your continuation. The continuation should reflect the current legal name, but you need that amendment on record first to establish the chain. What state are you filing in? Some have specific guidance on this sequence.
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Chloe Wilson
•Filing in Ohio. I've been going through their UCC guide but it's not super specific about the timing requirements for amendments vs continuations when there's a name change involved.
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Diego Mendoza
•Ohio's pretty standard on this. Amendment first, then continuation. The key is making sure the amendment clearly shows both the old and new debtor names so there's no gap in the perfection chain.
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Anastasia Romanov
Wait, hold up - are you sure you even need to amend? If the legal entity is the same (just name change) and you can establish continuity, some jurisdictions let you file the continuation with the new name and a note about the previous name. Check Section 308 subsection (c) specifically.
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Diego Mendoza
•That's risky advice. Better to be safe with the amendment route than risk a lapse in perfection over a name discrepancy.
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Anastasia Romanov
•I'm not saying it's not safer, just that there are legitimate alternatives under 308(c) depending on how the name change occurred and what documentation exists.
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StellarSurfer
•Both approaches can work but the amendment-first method eliminates any ambiguity about the debtor identity. Worth the extra filing fee for peace of mind on a $340K collateral position.
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Sean Kelly
I had a similar situation last year and honestly spent way too much time trying to interpret the Section 308 requirements myself. Ended up using Certana.ai's document verification tool - you can upload your original UCC-1 and the proposed continuation/amendment docs and it flags any inconsistencies in debtor names or other critical fields. Saved me from filing a continuation that would have been rejected due to name mismatch issues. Just upload the PDFs and it cross-checks everything automatically.
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Chloe Wilson
•That actually sounds really helpful. Did it catch specific Section 308 compliance issues or just general name mismatches?
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Sean Kelly
•It flagged that my debtor name didn't match between the original filing and continuation, plus it highlighted some collateral description inconsistencies I hadn't noticed. Really thorough comparison across all the key fields.
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Zara Malik
ugh this is exactly why I hate UCC filings. The rules seem straightforward until you hit these edge cases and then suddenly you're reading statute subsections trying to figure out if you're about to void your security interest. Why can't they just make this stuff clearer??
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Luca Greco
•Because lawyers write the rules and lawyers like job security? 😂 But seriously, these name change scenarios trip up even experienced filers.
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Zara Malik
•Right? And the stakes are so high. Miss a deadline or file incorrectly and you could lose perfection on hundreds of thousands in collateral.
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Nia Thompson
From a practical standpoint, I always recommend the amendment-first approach for Section 308 situations. File your UCC-3 amendment updating the debtor name now, then file the continuation closer to the deadline using the corrected name. Yes it's two filings instead of one, but it creates a clear paper trail and eliminates any question about debtor identity continuity.
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Chloe Wilson
•That makes sense. What's the typical timing between the amendment and continuation? Should I space them out or can they be filed close together?
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Nia Thompson
•You can file them close together, just make sure the amendment is processed first. I usually wait a few days between filings to ensure the amendment shows up in the system before submitting the continuation.
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Mateo Rodriguez
•Good point about system processing delays. Some states are faster than others at updating their UCC records.
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Aisha Hussain
Has anyone actually had a continuation rejected because of Section 308 name issues? I'm curious what the actual enforcement looks like vs. the theoretical compliance requirements.
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Anastasia Romanov
•I've seen rejections for debtor name mismatches but usually when the names are significantly different. Minor variations sometimes slip through.
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Diego Mendoza
•The problem is you don't know which clerk is going to review your filing. Some are strict about exact name matches, others are more lenient. Why risk it?
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Aisha Hussain
•Fair point. The inconsistency in enforcement is probably worse than strict but predictable rules.
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GalacticGladiator
Another vote for using document verification tools on this kind of stuff. I tried Certana.ai after reading about it here and it's been really helpful for catching these kinds of inconsistencies before filing. Upload your charter docs and UCC forms and it flags any mismatches automatically. Takes like 2 minutes vs. hours of manual cross-checking.
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StellarSurfer
•How accurate is the name matching? Does it handle variations like Inc vs Incorporated or LLC vs Limited Liability Company?
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GalacticGladiator
•Yeah it catches those types of variations and flags them for review. Really thorough comparison across different document types.
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Ethan Brown
Wait I think I'm confused about something basic here. If the entity legally changed names, wouldn't that trigger Section 308 requirements regardless of the continuation timing? Like shouldn't there have been an amendment filed when the name change happened 18 months ago?
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Diego Mendoza
•You're absolutely right. Technically an amendment should have been filed within 4 months of the name change under most state UCC codes. This is a catch-up situation now.
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Chloe Wilson
•Oh geez, you're right. I inherited this loan from another officer and didn't realize we missed that timing requirement. So now I need to file the amendment AND the continuation?
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Nia Thompson
•Don't panic - you can still fix this. File the amendment now to correct the name, then do your continuation. The perfection should remain continuous as long as the amendment clearly identifies both the old and new debtor names.
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Yuki Yamamoto
This whole thread is making me paranoid about my own filings. I've got three continuations coming up in the next 6 months and now I'm wondering if I should double-check all the debtor names against the original UCC-1s.
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Sean Kelly
•Honestly not a bad idea. I was surprised how many little discrepancies showed up when I started using document verification tools. Better to catch them before filing than get rejections.
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Yuki Yamamoto
•Yeah I think I'm going to audit all my active UCCs. This Section 308 stuff is more complicated than I thought.
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Carmen Ruiz
For what it's worth, I've found that calling the SOS filing office directly can sometimes get you clearer guidance on these Section 308 interpretation questions. Not all states are helpful but some will walk through the specific requirements for your situation.
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Chloe Wilson
•Good suggestion. I'll try calling Ohio's UCC office tomorrow and see if they can clarify the amendment-continuation sequence requirements.
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Carmen Ruiz
•Ohio's usually pretty helpful. Just have your filing number and debtor info ready when you call.
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Zara Malik
•Assuming you can get through to a human and not stuck in phone tree hell for 45 minutes...
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Andre Lefebvre
Update us when you get this resolved! I'm dealing with a similar Section 308 situation and curious how the amendment-first approach works out for you.
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Chloe Wilson
•Will do. Planning to file the amendment this week and then the continuation next month. I'll report back on how smoothly it goes.
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Zoe Dimitriou
•Thanks for sharing the details of your situation. These real-world examples are way more helpful than trying to parse the statute language alone.
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