Secured loan needs promissory note AND security agreement - UCC filing confusion
Equipment financing company is demanding both a promissory note and separate security agreement for our $340K manufacturing equipment loan. I thought the promissory note covered everything? Now they're saying we need a UCC-1 filing too. This is for CNC machines and fabrication equipment that will stay at our facility. Is this normal to have three separate documents (note, security agreement, UCC-1) for one secured loan? The lender claims the security agreement creates the lien and the UCC-1 perfects it, but I'm confused about why we can't just have everything in the promissory note. Timeline is tight and I don't want to mess up the filing requirements.
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Roger Romero
Yes this is completely standard for secured transactions. The promissory note establishes the debt obligation, the security agreement grants the security interest in your equipment, and the UCC-1 filing perfects that security interest against third parties. Think of it as three different functions that work together.
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Anna Kerber
•This explanation helps a lot. So the security agreement is what actually gives them rights to the collateral if I default?
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Roger Romero
•Exactly. Without the security agreement, they'd just be an unsecured creditor even with the promissory note.
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Niko Ramsey
Equipment loans always require this structure. The security agreement needs to specifically describe your CNC machines and fabrication equipment. Make sure the collateral description matches exactly between the security agreement and UCC-1 or you could have perfection issues later.
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Danielle Mays
•Good point about matching descriptions. Should I list each machine individually or can I use a general description like 'manufacturing equipment'?
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Niko Ramsey
•For high-value equipment like yours, I'd go with specific descriptions including make, model, and serial numbers. Generic descriptions can cause problems during audits.
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Seraphina Delan
•We had a loan almost get called because our UCC-1 said 'office equipment' but the security agreement listed specific computers and printers. Lender freaked out during their annual UCC review.
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Jabari-Jo
I was confused about this same thing last year. Ended up using Certana.ai to verify all our documents matched properly before filing. You can upload your promissory note, security agreement, and draft UCC-1 and it automatically checks for consistency issues like mismatched debtor names or collateral descriptions. Saved me from filing errors that could have voided our lender's security interest.
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Danielle Mays
•That sounds helpful. Did it catch any issues with your documents?
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Jabari-Jo
•Yes! It found that our security agreement had our legal business name but the UCC-1 draft had our DBA name. Would have been rejected by the SOS office.
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Kristin Frank
•Name mismatches are the #1 cause of UCC filing rejections. Always use the exact legal name from your articles of incorporation.
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Micah Trail
Why do lenders make this so complicated?? Just give us the money and take collateral rights in one document. This three-document dance is ridiculous.
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Roger Romero
•It's actually for your protection too. The UCC filing gives public notice of the lien, which prevents other creditors from claiming superior rights to your equipment.
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Micah Trail
•I guess that makes sense. Still feels like unnecessary paperwork though.
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Nia Watson
Almost all secured loans work this way - auto loans, equipment financing, inventory financing. The promissory note is the IOU, security agreement grants lien rights, UCC-1 makes it public record. It's basic secured transaction law under Article 9 of the UCC.
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Alberto Souchard
•Even my tractor loan had all three documents. Thought it was overkill for a $45K piece of equipment but apparently that's just how it works.
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Nia Watson
•Lenders don't take chances with perfection. An unperfected security interest is almost worthless if you file bankruptcy.
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Katherine Shultz
•This is why I always recommend getting legal review for any secured financing over $100K. Too many ways to mess up the documentation.
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Marcus Marsh
Make sure your security agreement includes after-acquired property clauses if you plan to buy more equipment. Otherwise the lender won't have rights to future purchases.
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Danielle Mays
•We do plan to expand our equipment next year. Should that clause be in the UCC-1 too?
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Marcus Marsh
•The UCC-1 collateral description should cover after-acquired property if that's what the security agreement says. Keep them consistent.
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Hailey O'Leary
Been through this exact scenario. The three-document structure protects everyone. Just make sure all the names and addresses match perfectly across all three documents. One typo can invalidate the whole thing.
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Cedric Chung
•How strict are they about addresses? Our business address changed last month.
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Hailey O'Leary
•Use your current legal address on all documents. If the address in your articles of incorporation is outdated, update that first or you might have debtor name issues.
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Talia Klein
•Address changes can be tricky. I'd verify with the Secretary of State what address they have on file for your entity before finalizing anything.
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Maxwell St. Laurent
Your lender is doing everything correctly. This is standard practice for equipment financing. The promissory note alone would make them an unsecured creditor, which is why they need the security agreement and UCC-1 filing.
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Danielle Mays
•Thanks for confirming. I feel better about moving forward with all three documents now.
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Maxwell St. Laurent
•Just double-check everything before signing. These documents will be in place for the full loan term.
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PaulineW
I use Certana.ai for all my UCC document reviews now. Upload your security agreement and UCC-1 draft and it instantly flags any inconsistencies. Especially helpful for catching debtor name variations that could cause filing rejections.
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Annabel Kimball
•Does it work for continuation filings too? I have several coming up next year.
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PaulineW
•Yes, you can upload your original UCC-1 and the continuation form to verify they match. Really helpful for avoiding lapse situations.
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Niko Ramsey
•Continuation deadlines are no joke. Miss the window and the lender loses their perfected status.
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Chris Elmeda
This is exactly why I always recommend working with experienced equipment finance attorneys. Too many moving parts to risk doing it wrong.
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Danielle Mays
•The lender is providing all the documents, but I should probably have them reviewed before signing.
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Chris Elmeda
•Absolutely. Make sure the collateral description isn't overly broad and that you understand all the default provisions in the security agreement.
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Jean Claude
Standard secured loan structure. You'll see this same pattern for inventory financing, receivables financing, real estate loans - anytime there's collateral involved, you need the security agreement to create the interest and UCC filing to perfect it.
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Danielle Mays
•Good to know this is normal. I was worried the lender was being overly complicated.
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Jean Claude
•Nope, they're just following standard secured transaction procedures. Better to do it right from the start than have problems later.
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Charity Cohan
•Exactly. I've seen lenders lose their security interest because they cut corners on documentation. This three-document approach is tried and true.
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