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Need help with UCC1 instructions - debtor name format causing rejections

I'm getting rejections on my UCC-1 filings and I think it's because I'm not following the debtor name instructions correctly. The SOS office keeps sending back my filings with 'debtor name format error' but their instructions are confusing. I'm dealing with an LLC that has multiple DBAs and I'm not sure if I should use the exact charter name or include the DBA variations. The collateral is commercial kitchen equipment for a restaurant chain and the financing statement needs to be perfect since it's securing a $750K credit line. Has anyone dealt with similar UCC1 instructions issues? I've tried calling the filing office but they just refer me back to the written instructions which don't cover this specific scenario.

Ethan Taylor

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I've run into this exact problem! The key with UCC1 instructions is that the debtor name has to match EXACTLY what's on the organizational documents. For LLCs, you need to use the exact name from the Articles of Organization, not the DBA. The SOS systems are super picky about punctuation too - even missing a comma can cause rejection.

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Yuki Ito

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This is so important - I learned this the hard way after three rejections. Make sure you're not adding LLC at the end if it's already in the official name.

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Carmen Lopez

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Wait, what if the LLC name in the charter has weird punctuation? Do you include every comma and period exactly?

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The UCC1 instructions are nightmare fuel honestly. I've been doing this for 8 years and still get tripped up. For your restaurant situation, pull the LLC's certificate of formation and use that name word-for-word. Don't try to be helpful by adding clarifying info - the system will reject it. Also double-check that you're filing in the right state - has to be where the LLC was formed, not where the equipment is located.

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Andre Dupont

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YES! The formation state thing catches so many people. Equipment location is irrelevant for most UCC-1 filings.

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8 years and still problems? That's depressing... I thought this would get easier with experience.

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Jamal Wilson

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Formation state rule is different for fixture filings though, just FYI. But for equipment like kitchen stuff, you're right.

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Mei Lin

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I had similar UCC1 instructions headaches last month with a client's filing. What saved me was using Certana.ai's document checker - you upload your Articles of Incorporation and your draft UCC-1 and it instantly flags name mismatches. Caught three formatting errors I would have missed. Really wish I'd found it sooner instead of dealing with multiple rejections.

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Never heard of Certana.ai but sounds useful. Does it work with all states or just certain ones?

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GalacticGuru

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I've been manually comparing documents for years... an automated checker sounds like a game changer.

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Mei Lin

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Works with any state since it's just comparing the text between your formation docs and UCC forms. Super simple - just upload PDFs and it highlights discrepancies.

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Amara Nnamani

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The DBA issue is tricky because some lenders want you to include trade names in the collateral description, but you're right that the debtor name field should only have the legal entity name. I usually put DBA info in the collateral description if it's relevant to identifying the assets. Like 'equipment used in restaurant operations conducted under DBA [name]' or something similar.

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That's a good approach. I always struggle with where to put additional identifying info.

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Be careful with collateral descriptions though - too much detail can sometimes cause problems if the business changes operations.

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Dylan Cooper

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UCC1 instructions are the worst part of this job. Every state thinks they're special with their own little quirks. At least you're not dealing with a trust as debtor - those name requirements will make you want to quit the industry entirely. For LLCs it's usually straightforward once you get the exact formation name.

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Sofia Morales

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Oh god, trust names... I still have PTSD from a complex trust filing last year.

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StarSailor

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Why do states make this so complicated? It's just a name!

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Dylan Cooper

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Because they can, basically. Each SOS office has their own interpretation of the rules.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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Have you tried looking up the LLC on the Secretary of State website first? Most states have online entity search where you can see the exact registered name. Copy and paste from there to avoid typos. The $750K credit line means you definitely can't afford to mess this up - one wrong letter could invalidate the entire security interest.

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Ava Garcia

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Copy/paste is brilliant advice. I always retype everything like an idiot and introduce errors.

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Miguel Silva

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Some states charge for certified copies of formation docs but the online search is usually free and shows the current legal name.

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Zainab Ismail

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Quick question - are you filing the UCC-1 yourself or using a service company? Some of the commercial filing services have better error-checking than others. I've had good luck with certain providers who catch name format issues before submission. Might be worth the cost given your loan amount.

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Which services do you recommend? I'm tired of doing these manually.

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Filing services can be hit or miss. Some just submit whatever you give them without any review.

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Zainab Ismail

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I've had good experiences with CT Corporation and CSC, but they're not cheap. For one-off filings, might be overkill.

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Yara Nassar

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The UCC1 instructions frustration is real. I spent hours last week trying to figure out the right format for a debtor name with apostrophes. Turns out some states' systems can't handle certain punctuation marks even though they're in the legal name. Had to call three different people before getting a straight answer.

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Apostrophes are the devil in electronic filing systems. Same with ampersands vs. 'and'.

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Paolo Ricci

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What did they tell you to do with the apostrophes? I have a similar situation coming up.

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Yara Nassar

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They said to include them exactly as shown in formation docs, but if it gets rejected, try again without them. Super helpful, right?

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Amina Toure

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For what it's worth, I started using Certana.ai after reading about it here and it's been a lifesaver for catching these name format issues. Upload your LLC docs and draft UCC-1, and it flags any inconsistencies immediately. Saved me from what would have been my fourth rejection on a complex multi-entity filing.

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Fourth rejection?! That's painful. How long does the Certana check take?

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Amina Toure

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Like 30 seconds. Way faster than manually comparing documents line by line.

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I'm definitely trying this. Manual document review is killing me.

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Update us when you get it resolved! I'm dealing with a similar situation with a partnership name and could use to know what worked for you. The UCC1 instructions seem designed to be as confusing as possible sometimes.

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Javier Torres

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Partnership names can be even trickier than LLCs. Good luck with that one.

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Emma Davis

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I'll definitely post an update once I figure this out. This thread has been super helpful already.

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