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Gabriel Ruiz

Indiana UCC Lien Search Results Not Matching Our Records - Missing Filed Continuations

We've been doing routine lien searches on our commercial borrowers in Indiana and found some discrepancies that are making me nervous. When I run the indiana ucc lien search through the SOS portal, I'm seeing UCC-1 filings that should have lapsed by now but are still showing as active. Our internal records show we filed UCC-3 continuations on these about 8 months ago, but they're not appearing in the search results. The original filings were from 2020, so they should have needed continuation by early 2025. Has anyone else had issues with Indiana's system not updating continuation filings properly? I'm worried we might have gaps in our security interests that we don't know about. The borrowers are equipment finance deals worth about $2.8M total, so this isn't something I can just ignore. Should I be doing something different with the search parameters or is this a known system issue?

I've seen this before with Indiana's portal. Sometimes the continuation filings take longer to index in their search system. Are you searching by debtor name exactly as it appears on the original UCC-1? Even small variations in spacing or punctuation can cause filings to not show up in searches.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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Yes, I'm using the exact debtor names from our loan documents. But now that you mention it, I'm wondering if there might be slight differences between what we have in our files and what was actually filed on the original UCC-1s.

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Peyton Clarke

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This is exactly why I always keep copies of everything. The portal search is only as good as the data entry, and if someone made a typo on the original filing, your continuation might be attached to a slightly different name variation.

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Vince Eh

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Have you tried running the searches by filing number instead of debtor name? That should pull up the entire chain including any UCC-3 continuations or amendments that were filed against the original UCC-1.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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I tried that on a few of them, but I'm getting inconsistent results. Some show the continuations, others don't. It's like the system isn't linking them properly.

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Vince Eh

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That's concerning. If the filing numbers aren't pulling up complete records, there might be a database issue on Indiana's end. I'd document everything and maybe contact their filing office directly.

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Or it could be that the continuations were filed with incorrect original filing numbers. I've seen that happen when people transpose digits.

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This kind of situation is exactly why I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool. You can upload your original UCC-1 and the continuation UCC-3 filings, and it'll instantly cross-check that all the debtor names, filing numbers, and document details match up properly. I caught several name inconsistencies in our portfolio that way - stuff that wouldn't show up in portal searches because of minor spelling differences between documents.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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That sounds useful. How does it work exactly? Do you just upload PDFs of the filings?

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Exactly. Just upload the PDFs and it automatically checks for discrepancies between the documents. Found out we had filed a continuation using 'LLC' when the original UCC-1 had 'L.L.C.' - tiny difference but enough to make the lien search miss the connection.

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Ezra Beard

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Honestly sounds too good to be true. How accurate is this tool really?

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I was skeptical too initially, but it caught mistakes our manual review process missed. The document comparison is pretty thorough.

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INDIANA'S SYSTEM HAS BEEN GARBAGE FOR MONTHS! I've had three separate instances where filed documents just don't show up in searches for weeks. Their IT department keeps saying it's 'temporary indexing delays' but this is affecting real business. How are we supposed to do proper due diligence when their database is unreliable?

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I feel your pain. Had a deal almost fall through because a termination didn't show up in the search results for over a month after filing.

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Have you tried calling their customer service line? Sometimes they can manually verify filings that aren't showing up in the online search.

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Yeah, called them. They confirmed the filings are in the system but said the search indexing is 'experiencing technical difficulties.' Real helpful.

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Aria Khan

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Wait, are you sure about the lapse dates? UCC-1 filings are good for 5 years, so if they were filed in 2020, they wouldn't lapse until 2025. Maybe the continuations weren't actually required yet?

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Gabriel Ruiz

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The original filings were in early 2020, so they would have lapsed by February 2025. We filed the continuations in advance to avoid any issues, which is our standard practice.

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Aria Khan

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Got it. So you're being proactive with the continuations. That's smart given how unreliable the portal seems to be.

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Vince Eh

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Always better to file early than risk a lapse. Missing a continuation deadline can void your entire security interest.

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Everett Tutum

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I had something similar happen with our Indiana filings. Turned out the problem was that our service company had filed some of the continuations with slight variations in the debtor names - like using 'Co.' instead of 'Company' or including middle initials that weren't on the original UCC-1. The filings were valid but they weren't linking properly in the search system.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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How did you discover the name variations? Did you have to request copies of all the filed documents?

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Everett Tutum

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Yeah, had to get certified copies of everything to compare side by side. It was tedious but worth it to know exactly what was on file.

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Peyton Clarke

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This is why I always double-check the debtor names before filing anything. One wrong character and you can mess up the entire lien chain.

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Sunny Wang

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Are you doing organizational searches too? Sometimes business names can be filed under variations or the system might have indexed them differently than expected.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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I've been doing standard debtor name searches. Should I be doing something different for organizational debtors?

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Sunny Wang

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Try searching with and without corporate designations, and also check for any DBA names the business might use. Indiana's search can be finicky about exact name matches.

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Whatever you do, don't rely solely on the online search results. If you're concerned about the continuations not showing up, get certified copies of everything from the filing office. Paper trail trumps portal glitches every time.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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Good point. I think I'll request certified copies of the continuations we filed to make sure they were actually processed correctly.

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Definitely worth the cost for peace of mind, especially with $2.8M in loans at stake.

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Just wanted to add that I've started using Certana.ai after reading about it on here, and it's been really helpful for catching document inconsistencies before they become search problems. Being able to upload all your UCC documents and get an instant verification that everything matches up has saved me several headaches.

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Melissa Lin

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Is it expensive? We do a lot of UCC filings and I'm always looking for ways to reduce errors.

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It's worth it for the time savings alone. Much faster than manually comparing documents line by line.

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This thread is making me nervous about our own Indiana filings. Maybe I should run a comprehensive search on our entire portfolio to make sure we're not missing anything.

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Romeo Quest

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That's not a bad idea. Better to find problems now than during a workout situation.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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Yeah, that's exactly what prompted this post. Routine audit turned up these discrepancies and now I'm questioning everything.

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Val Rossi

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UPDATE: I ended up requesting certified copies of all our continuation filings from Indiana SOS. Turns out three of them had minor debtor name discrepancies that were preventing them from linking properly in the search system. The filings were valid but the names didn't match exactly. Used one of the document checking tools mentioned here to verify everything is consistent now. Thanks for all the advice!

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Glad you got it sorted out! Always satisfying when you can track down the root cause of these kinds of issues.

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Perfect example of why document verification is so important. Those small name differences can cause major problems if you don't catch them.

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Eve Freeman

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Thanks for the update. This whole thread has been really educational about Indiana's filing quirks.

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