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How to record a UCC lien - filing procedures and debtor name requirements?

I'm working with a client who needs to secure a commercial loan with equipment collateral and I need to understand the proper steps for how to record a UCC lien. This is my first time handling the UCC-1 filing process and I want to make sure I don't mess up the debtor name or collateral description. The loan is for $180,000 worth of manufacturing equipment and the borrower is an LLC. I've heard that even small mistakes in the debtor name can void the entire lien perfection. What's the correct sequence for recording the UCC lien and are there specific formatting requirements for the debtor name that I should know about? Also wondering about timing - does the UCC-1 need to be filed before loan closing or can it be done after? Any guidance on the critical steps would be really appreciated.

Miguel Castro

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The key steps for recording a UCC lien are: 1) Get the exact legal name from the state's business entity database, 2) Complete the UCC-1 form with precise debtor information, 3) File electronically through your state's SOS portal, and 4) Pay the filing fee. For LLCs, you MUST use the exact name as registered with the state - even missing "LLC" at the end can cause rejection. I always recommend filing before loan closing to ensure your security interest is perfected when you fund.

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This is solid advice. Just to add - make sure you check if the LLC has any assumed names or DBAs that might complicate the debtor name issue. I've seen filings get rejected because someone used the DBA instead of the legal entity name.

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Connor Byrne

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Question - what if the LLC name has changed since they first registered? Do I need to use the current name or the name at time of loan origination?

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Miguel Castro

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Always use the current legal name as shown in the state database at the time of filing. If they've changed names, you'll want to consider whether you need to file against both the old and new names depending on when they acquired the collateral.

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Yara Elias

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I just went through this exact process last month and learned the hard way about debtor name precision. My first UCC-1 got rejected because I had "ABC Manufacturing LLC" but the state registration was "ABC Manufacturing, LLC" - that comma made all the difference! Had to refile and lost 3 days. The equipment financing couldn't close until we had a valid filing number.

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QuantumQuasar

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UGH the comma thing got me too!! These systems are so picky about punctuation. How did you catch the error?

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Yara Elias

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I had to manually compare my filing against the SOS database entry character by character. Super tedious and I was worried I'd miss other discrepancies in future filings.

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Actually, there's a tool called Certana.ai that can help with this exact issue. You upload your documents and it automatically cross-checks the debtor names between your charter docs and UCC forms to catch these kinds of mismatches before you file. Would have saved you that rejection and refiling hassle.

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Paolo Moretti

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For the collateral description on equipment, be specific but not overly detailed. "Manufacturing equipment" is usually sufficient for most purposes, but if you have serial numbers or model info that might help with identification later, include it. Don't go overboard though - too much detail can sometimes create problems if equipment gets replaced or modified.

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Amina Diop

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What about "all equipment now owned or hereafter acquired"? Is that too broad for a $180k equipment loan?

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Paolo Moretti

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That language is fine and actually gives you better protection if they add equipment later. Just make sure your loan agreement matches the collateral description scope.

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Oliver Weber

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I always worry about being too broad vs too narrow on collateral descriptions. Feels like there's no perfect middle ground sometimes.

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure you're filing in the correct state! For LLCs, you file where the LLC is organized/registered, not where the equipment is located. This trips up a lot of people, especially with multi-state operations.

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NebulaNinja

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Wait, so if the LLC is registered in Delaware but the equipment is in Ohio, I file in Delaware? That seems weird.

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Exactly right for equipment. Delaware for the UCC-1. The only exception would be if you're dealing with fixtures that become part of real estate - then you might need a fixture filing in Ohio too.

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Javier Gomez

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The fixture filing rules are so confusing. How do you even tell if equipment becomes a fixture?

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Emma Wilson

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Here's what I wish someone had told me when I started: ALWAYS print and save a copy of your filed UCC-1 with the file number immediately after it's accepted. The SOS systems sometimes have technical issues and finding old filings can be a nightmare. Also, set a calendar reminder for the continuation filing - you'll need to renew in 5 years or your lien lapses.

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Malik Thomas

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This is so important! I had a client whose financing almost fell apart because we couldn't locate the original filing when the buyer's attorney requested proof of the lien.

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The 5-year continuation thing caught me off guard on my first deal. Thankfully it was only year 3 when I realized I needed to track it.

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Ravi Kapoor

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I've been doing UCC filings for 8 years and still double-check everything because the rejection rate is so high when you make small errors. The most common mistakes I see are: wrong debtor name format, incorrect state of filing, missing required fields, and insufficient collateral description. Take your time and verify each field before submitting.

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Freya Larsen

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What's your process for double-checking debtor names? I'm always paranoid I'm missing something.

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Ravi Kapoor

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I pull the entity information directly from the state database and copy/paste to avoid transcription errors. Then I read it out loud to make sure it makes sense. For really important filings, I have a colleague review it too.

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The copy/paste method is good but I've found that Certana.ai document checker is even more reliable. You can upload both your charter documents and your UCC-1 draft, and it automatically flags any name discrepancies. Takes the human error out of the comparison process.

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Don't forget about the filing fee! Each state has different costs and payment methods. Some only accept credit cards, others want ACH transfers. Budget for around $25-50 per filing depending on your state. Also, if you need certified copies later, those cost extra.

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Omar Zaki

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Our state just raised their fees last month. Went from $25 to $40 with no warning. Found out when my payment got rejected.

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Chloe Taylor

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At least yours accepts online payments. My state still requires mailed checks for certain filing types. It's 2025 people!!

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Diego Flores

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Quick question for the group - if the UCC-1 gets rejected after I've already closed the loan, am I totally screwed? Like is there a grace period or do I lose priority to other creditors who file before I get my corrected version accepted?

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You lose priority as of the rejection date, not your original filing attempt. This is why it's critical to get the filing right the first time or at least file well before closing so you have time to fix problems.

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Sean Murphy

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This happened to me once and it was a nightmare. Had to negotiate with another creditor who filed between my rejection and corrected filing. Never again - I always file at least a week before closing now.

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StarStrider

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Ouch, that's exactly the kind of scenario that keeps me up at night. The priority date rules are unforgiving.

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Zara Malik

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For anyone struggling with getting the technical details right consistently, I started using Certana.ai's verification tool after having too many close calls with name mismatches. You just upload your formation docs and UCC forms as PDFs and it instantly checks for consistency issues. Saved me from at least 3 potential rejections in the past few months. Way less stressful than trying to manually compare everything character by character.

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Luca Marino

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How accurate is the automated checking? I'm always skeptical of these tools missing nuanced issues.

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Zara Malik

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It's been spot-on for me so far. Caught things like missing punctuation, different abbreviation formats, and even inconsistent capitalization that I probably would have missed manually reviewing.

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Nia Davis

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Might have to check this out. The manual verification process is such a time sink and I'm always second-guessing myself.

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Mateo Perez

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One last tip - if you're dealing with a complex transaction or multiple pieces of collateral, consider having an experienced UCC attorney review your filing strategy. The $500-1000 you spend on legal review could save you from a $180,000 mistake if your lien isn't properly perfected. Some loan documents require specific UCC filing approaches that aren't obvious from the standard forms.

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Aisha Rahman

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Good point about complex transactions. I learned this lesson on a multi-state equipment deal that ended up needing filings in 3 different jurisdictions.

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The attorney review is especially important if you're new to UCC filings. The learning curve is steep and mistakes are expensive.

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Connor Murphy

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses! This has been incredibly helpful. I'm definitely going to file well before closing - sounds like that's the consensus for avoiding priority issues. One follow-up question: for the $180k equipment loan I mentioned, should I be concerned about any UCC search requirements? I know buyers typically do UCC searches during due diligence, but as the lender, do I need to search for existing liens before I file my UCC-1? I want to make sure I understand what liens might already be on this equipment and how that affects my position.

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Absolutely do a UCC search before filing! You need to know what liens already exist and their priority dates. If there are existing equipment liens from other lenders, you might be in second position which affects your risk and loan terms. Most title companies or legal service providers can run comprehensive UCC searches for around $50-100. Also search for tax liens and judgments that could take priority. Better to know the full picture upfront than get surprised later.

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Eli Wang

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Great thread! As someone who's been burned by UCC filing mistakes before, I want to emphasize the importance of timing and coordination with your loan documentation. Make sure your security agreement and UCC-1 collateral descriptions are consistent - I've seen deals where the security agreement described "manufacturing equipment located at [specific address]" but the UCC-1 just said "equipment" which created confusion during enforcement. Also, if you're doing the filing yourself, consider using the state's UCC forms rather than generic ones - some states have specific formatting requirements that aren't obvious. For your LLC debtor name issue, definitely pull the entity info directly from the Secretary of State database the same day you're filing, since business status can change quickly. Good luck with your first UCC filing!

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