California UCC liens showing conflicting debtor names - will this void my security interest?
I'm dealing with a major headache on a commercial equipment loan in California. Filed our initial UCC-1 back in March with debtor name as "Pacific Coast Welding LLC" but just discovered the business charter actually shows "Pacific Coast Welding, LLC" (with the comma). Now I'm staring at potential issues with our $340K security interest and wondering if this name discrepancy could invalidate our lien position. The SOS website search pulls up our filing but I'm worried about enforceability if we need to foreclose. Has anyone dealt with California's seriously strict debtor name requirements? The equipment is custom fabrication machinery so we can't afford to have an unperfectable security interest. Should I file a UCC-3 amendment immediately or is this minor punctuation difference not going to kill us legally?
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Felicity Bud
California is definitely one of the stricter states on debtor name matching. That comma could potentially be an issue depending on how a court interprets the "seriously misleading" standard. I'd run both versions through the SOS search system to see if they both pull up the same results - if your current filing doesn't show up when searching the exact charter name, that's a red flag.
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Felix Grigori
•Just tried that and you're right - searching "Pacific Coast Welding, LLC" with the comma doesn't pull up our filing. Only shows when I search without the comma. This is exactly what I was afraid of.
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Max Reyes
•Yep, that's a classic California problem. The search logic there is pretty unforgiving compared to other states.
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Mikayla Davison
File the UCC-3 amendment ASAP. Don't even think twice about it. I've seen too many deals go sideways because someone thought "close enough" was good enough on debtor names. California courts have been pretty harsh on this stuff, especially with LLCs where the exact legal entity name matters for piercing corporate veils during collections.
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Felix Grigori
•That's what my gut is telling me too. Just hate paying another filing fee for what seems like such a minor thing, but you're absolutely right about not risking it.
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Adrian Connor
•The filing fee is nothing compared to losing your security interest on 340K worth of equipment. I learned this lesson the hard way on a smaller deal years ago.
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Felicity Bud
•Exactly. Think of the amendment fee as insurance - way cheaper than potentially losing your collateral position.
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Aisha Jackson
Before you file that amendment, have you actually pulled the official charter documents from the California Secretary of State to confirm the exact name? Sometimes what shows up in casual business searches isn't the precise legal entity name. Also check if there have been any entity name changes since your original filing.
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Felix Grigori
•Good point - I was going off what the borrower told me was on their charter. Let me pull the actual state records to be 100% certain before I file anything.
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Aisha Jackson
•Yeah definitely verify from the source. I've had borrowers give me incorrect entity info before, either by mistake or because they're looking at old paperwork.
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Ryder Everingham
I ran into something similar last year with a debtor name issue on multiple UCC filings. Ended up using Certana.ai's document verification tool - you just upload your UCC-1 and the charter documents and it immediately flags any name inconsistencies. Saved me from filing amendments on three different deals where I thought there were problems but the names actually matched according to the search standards. Really helpful for catching these issues before they become expensive mistakes.
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Felix Grigori
•That sounds useful - does it work with California filings specifically? I'm always worried about state-specific quirks.
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Ryder Everingham
•Yeah it handles all states including California's picky search logic. Just drag and drop your PDFs and it cross-references everything automatically.
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Lilly Curtis
•I've heard good things about that tool. Beats manually comparing documents line by line which is how I've been doing it.
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Leo Simmons
ugh california ucc requirements are seriously the worst... had a filing rejected last month because I put "Inc." instead of "Incorporated" even though both versions showed up in their business entity search. The inconsistency in their system vs their filing standards is maddening
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Lindsey Fry
•That's so frustrating! It's like they want filings to fail sometimes.
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Felicity Bud
•California definitely requires exact matching on entity designations. It's annoying but at least they're consistent about being picky.
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Max Reyes
Here's what I'd do: pull the charter, compare it character by character to your UCC-1, and if there's ANY difference file the amendment. Don't try to interpret whether it's "material" or not - let the exact match speak for itself. With equipment financing the collateral is usually worth enough to justify being extra cautious.
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Felix Grigori
•This is probably the safest approach. The equipment is specialized enough that finding another buyer would be difficult, so we really can't afford to have lien priority issues.
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Saleem Vaziri
•Smart thinking. Custom fabrication equipment can be really hard to liquidate if you don't have clear title to it.
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Kayla Morgan
Just to add another perspective - I've also seen situations where the borrower's legal entity changed after the initial filing but nobody caught it. Make sure Pacific Coast Welding LLC is still the actual operating entity and hasn't merged or restructured since March. That could complicate things even more than a simple name amendment.
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Felix Grigori
•Hadn't thought of that possibility. I'll check their current standing with the state while I'm pulling the charter docs.
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Aisha Jackson
•Good catch. Entity status changes are definitely something that can slip through the cracks on longer-term financing deals.
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James Maki
Whatever you do, document everything. Keep copies of your search results, the charter, your amendment filing, everything. If this ever goes to litigation you'll want a paper trail showing you acted diligently to perfect your security interest once you discovered the potential issue.
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Felix Grigori
•Absolutely. I'm already building a file with screenshots of the search results and will add everything else as I go through this process.
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Mikayla Davison
•Documentation is crucial. Courts like to see that you took corrective action promptly after discovering problems.
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Jasmine Hancock
I know everyone's saying file the amendment, but honestly I think you might be overthinking this. A comma difference probably isn't going to void your entire security interest, especially if both names clearly refer to the same entity. California courts aren't completely unreasonable about minor punctuation variations.
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Felicity Bud
•I disagree - better to be safe than sorry when you're talking about a $340K exposure. The cost of an amendment is minimal compared to the risk.
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Jasmine Hancock
•Fair point, I just hate seeing people panic over every minor filing detail. But you're right that the stakes are high enough to justify the precaution.
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Max Reyes
•The problem is you don't know how unreasonable the court will be until you're already in litigation. By then it's too late to fix it.
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Cole Roush
Update us when you get this resolved. I'm dealing with a similar name discrepancy issue on a Texas filing and curious how California handles these amendments. Do they process them pretty quickly?
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Felix Grigori
•Will do. From what I understand California UCC-3 amendments usually process within a few business days if filed online.
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Adrian Connor
•Yeah California's online system is actually pretty efficient for amendments. Much better than their initial filing process.
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