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Great thread - really helpful info here! One additional consideration for NY UCC filings: make sure you're clear on the collateral description. NY DOS will reject filings if the collateral description is too vague. For restaurant equipment and inventory, I usually include specific categories like "kitchen equipment, dining room furniture, food inventory, beverages, point-of-sale systems" rather than just "all equipment and inventory." The more specific you can be without being overly restrictive, the better your chances of acceptance and proper perfection.
This is really good advice! I've seen filings get rejected for descriptions like "all personal property" being too broad. Being specific about categories helps both with acceptance and later enforcement. Do you have any guidance on how detailed to get with inventory descriptions? Like should you specify "raw food ingredients, prepared foods, alcoholic beverages" or is just "food and beverage inventory" sufficient?
@Andre Rousseau For restaurant inventory in NY, I typically go with food "inventory, beverage inventory including alcoholic beverages, supplies and consumables rather" than getting too granular. The key is being specific enough that someone searching can understand what s'covered without creating categories that might exclude items. I also always include and "all proceeds thereof at" the end of any collateral description to catch insurance payouts or sale proceeds. The NY DOS form has decent space for collateral descriptions so you re'not as cramped as some other states.
One thing I'd add for NY restaurant UCC filings - don't forget about after-acquired property clauses if the restaurant will be adding equipment or inventory after your initial filing. The standard language "and all after-acquired collateral of the same or similar type or description" can save you from having to file amendments every time they buy new equipment. Just make sure your security agreement supports it. Also, if the restaurant has multiple locations in NY, you might want to consider whether location-specific descriptions help with identification, though it's not required for perfection purposes.
Great point about after-acquired property! I learned this lesson when a restaurant client kept buying new equipment and we had to keep amending the UCC-1. The after-acquired property language definitely saves headaches down the road. For multi-location restaurants, I usually include something like "located at various addresses in New York State" rather than listing specific addresses, since locations can change but the filing stays valid as long as it's still in NY. @Aisha Ali do you find NY DOS has any issues with that kind of general location description?
Keep us posted on how this works out. Your situation could help other people who end up in similar circumstances. The court route seems like your best bet given that the secured party is dissolved.
Will do. I'm going to call the state UCC office Monday and then consult with an attorney about filing the court petition. Thanks everyone for the advice.
Good luck! Hope you get it resolved quickly so you can move forward with your expansion plans.
I went through something very similar about two years ago when our asset-based lender filed bankruptcy mid-loan. Even though we had paid down significantly, the UCC-1 was blocking new credit lines. One thing that helped speed up my court petition was getting an affidavit from the liquidation attorney stating they had no authority to file terminations - even though they couldn't help directly, having that official statement actually strengthened my case for judicial termination. The judge appreciated seeing that I had exhausted all other options before coming to court. Also, if you're working with any new lenders for your expansion, some of them will actually advance the legal costs to clear the UCC if it means they can close your deal faster. Worth asking about.
That's really helpful advice about getting an affidavit from the liquidation attorney! I hadn't thought about documenting that they can't help as a way to strengthen my court case. And the suggestion about asking new lenders to advance legal costs is brilliant - I'm meeting with two potential lenders next week so I'll definitely bring that up. It could turn this roadblock into just a minor delay if they're willing to help clear the UCC to close the deal.
This thread has been incredibly insightful - thanks everyone for sharing your real experiences, both successes and disasters! I'm seeing a clear pattern: the strategy can work but requires treating it like a legitimate business transaction from day one. A few observations from reading through all the responses: 1) Document consistency seems to be the #1 killer of these arrangements - multiple people mentioned character-level precision in debtor names, 2) The IRS implications are broader than I initially thought, especially around market-rate interest documentation, 3) The bankruptcy trustee scrutiny angle is sobering and something I need to plan for even if bankruptcy seems unlikely. One question I haven't seen addressed: for those who successfully implemented this, how did you handle the collateral description? Did you go with broad categories like "all equipment" or get specific with serial numbers and model details? I'm leaning toward being more specific to avoid challenges about vague descriptions, but wondering if that creates maintenance headaches when equipment gets replaced or upgraded.
Great synthesis of the key issues! On your collateral description question - I'd definitely lean toward specific descriptions initially, then use UCC-3 amendments to add new equipment as you acquire it. Yes, it creates more maintenance, but vague descriptions like "all equipment" are sitting ducks for challenges. I learned this the hard way when a lender's attorney argued that "general equipment" was too broad to give proper notice to other creditors. Now I include at least make/model/year for major items and use broader categories only for smaller fungible assets. The extra filing fees for amendments are worth the peace of mind that your collateral description will hold up under scrutiny.
Excellent summary of the key takeaways! As someone who's been researching this strategy myself, I'm particularly interested in the ongoing maintenance burden that @Freya Christensen mentioned. It seems like the initial filing is just the beginning - you re'essentially committing to running a legitimate loan operation between your entities for years. On the collateral description question, I d'echo @Luis Johnson s advice'about being specific. I ve seen'UCC searches where broad descriptions created priority disputes because it wasn t clear'what was actually covered. One additional consideration: how do you handle partial releases when equipment gets sold or disposed of? Do you need to file UCC-3 amendments every time, or can you structure the original filing to account for normal business turnover of assets?
As someone who's been through this process, I want to emphasize the importance of getting your documentation bulletproof from the start. I filed a UCC-1 on my manufacturing equipment about 18 months ago using a similar structure - lending from my personal holding company to my operating LLC. The key lessons I learned: 1) Get a formal appraisal of your collateral before filing - this establishes the loan amount isn't artificially inflated, 2) Set up a dedicated loan servicing account and make actual monthly payments with proper documentation, 3) File your UCC-1 in the correct state - this trips up more people than you'd think, especially if your LLC is organized in Delaware but your equipment is located elsewhere. The biggest surprise for me was how much ongoing administration this creates. You're not just filing a form and walking away - you're creating a legitimate creditor relationship that needs to be maintained. Also, consider the exit implications early. When I eventually want to sell my business, I'll need to either assign the debt/security interest to the buyer or pay it off and release the lien. Both options have tax consequences I'm still working through with my CPA.
Just to confirm what others said - you absolutely must use the debtor name exactly as it appears on the original 2020 UCC-1 filing. No variations, no 'corrections' to match current documents, no formatting improvements. The continuation is tied to that specific original filing and must reference the debtor identically. Pull the original filing, copy the name precisely, and refile ASAP.
I'm new to UCC filings and this thread is terrifying me! I'm handling my first continuation filing next month and now I'm worried about making these same formatting mistakes. Is there a checklist or best practices guide somewhere for avoiding these debtor name issues? The stories about losing millions in secured positions over punctuation are giving me nightmares. Should I be looking into that Certana.ai tool people mentioned, or are there other ways to double-check before filing?
Dylan Baskin
Just want to echo what others said about double-checking everything before filing. Between rejection fees and amendment costs, mistakes get expensive fast. I use a checklist now to verify debtor names match exactly, addresses are current, and collateral descriptions are complete.
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Dylan Baskin
•Good point about good standing. Entity status changes can definitely affect filings.
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Avery Saint
•Thanks everyone for all the practical tips. This thread has been really helpful for planning out these filings.
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Ethan Brown
One more thing to consider - if you're doing equipment financing deals, make sure you understand the difference between purchase money security interests and regular security interests for UCC filing purposes. PMSI filings have different priority rules and timing requirements, especially if there's existing financing on the same collateral. It won't affect the NY filing fee but it could impact your collateral description and filing strategy. Also, for equipment that might move between states, consider whether you need to file in multiple jurisdictions from the start.
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GalacticGladiator
•Great point about PMSI considerations! I'm still getting familiar with the nuances between purchase money and non-purchase money filings. For equipment financing, when does the 20-day rule for PMSI priority typically come into play? And do you have any tips for determining when multi-state filing is necessary vs just filing in the debtor's location? Want to make sure I'm not missing anything that could affect perfection down the line.
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