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Mateo Sanchez

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Quick update - ended up using Certana.ai to cross-check my UCC-1 draft against the security agreement before filing. Found a couple minor inconsistencies in how I described some of the tooling. Much easier than manually comparing everything line by line. Filed this morning and got accepted within a few hours.

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Ethan Clark

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Did you end up needing separate fixture filings for any of the equipment?

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Mateo Sanchez

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Still working on that part. Turns out two of the CNC machines might qualify as fixtures so we're doing additional filings in the real estate records to be safe.

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Aisha Hussain

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Great discussion here! Just wanted to add that for equipment financing deals like this, I always recommend including "proceeds" in your collateral description too. If any of the equipment gets sold, damaged, or generates insurance payouts during the loan term, you want to make sure your security interest follows those proceeds. Something like "and all proceeds thereof" at the end of your description can save you headaches later. Also, since you mentioned some equipment might be mobile, consider whether any pieces could end up in different states - might need to think about filing in other jurisdictions if the borrower moves equipment around for jobs.

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Dmitry Popov

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Bottom line - UCC financing statements serve a legitimate business purpose for both borrowers and lenders. They create the legal framework that makes secured lending possible at competitive rates. You keep operating your business normally while your lender gets the security they need to justify favorable loan terms. Just make sure all the paperwork is accurate from day one.

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Ethan Taylor

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Thanks everyone - this has been incredibly helpful. I feel much better about moving forward with our financing now that I understand what we're actually agreeing to.

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Yuki Ito

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Glad we could help clarify things. UCC filings seem mysterious until you understand the underlying purpose - then they make perfect sense.

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GalacticGuru

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Great question Ethan! I went through this exact same confusion when we first secured equipment financing. Here's what really helped me understand it: the UCC financing statement is essentially a public bulletin board posting that says "Hey world, XYZ Bank has dibs on this specific equipment if the borrower defaults." You absolutely keep ownership and full operational control of your machinery - you can use it, maintain it, and run your business exactly as before. The bank isn't taking your equipment away or restricting your operations. What they're doing is establishing legal priority over other potential creditors who might later try to claim the same assets. Think of it like this: without the UCC filing, if your business faced financial trouble, the bank would be just another unsecured creditor standing in line with everyone else hoping to get paid. With the properly filed UCC-1, they jump to the front of the line for those specific assets. This security is exactly why they can offer you better interest rates than unsecured financing - they have recourse if things go wrong. The filing creates a win-win: you get better loan terms, they get the security they need to justify those terms.

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Just want to add that timing is crucial with UCC filings for equipment financing. Your lender will want the UCC-1 filed and perfected before they fund the loan, so make sure your statement service can handle expedited processing. Also, if you're financing equipment that will be installed at multiple locations, discuss with your service provider how to handle the collateral descriptions - you might need separate filings or specific language covering equipment that could be moved between sites.

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PrinceJoe

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Great point about timing! I'm curious - how far in advance should we start the UCC filing process? Our lender hasn't given us a specific timeline yet, but I want to make sure we're not scrambling at the last minute. Also, regarding the multiple locations issue, our machinery will be installed at our main facility but we might need to move some pieces to a secondary location later. Should we mention both addresses in the initial filing or handle that with an amendment later?

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TechNinja

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For timing, I'd recommend starting the UCC filing process at least 5-7 business days before your funding deadline. While electronic filings in CA are usually processed within 24-48 hours, you want buffer time for any rejection corrections or name verification issues. Regarding multiple locations, you have a couple options: you can file with a general description like "equipment located at debtor's facilities" or list specific addresses. If you know you'll be moving equipment between locations, the broader description might save you from filing amendments later. Just make sure your lender is okay with the collateral description approach you choose.

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Maya Jackson

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One thing to watch out for with CA UCC statement services is making sure they understand your specific business entity type. I've seen issues where the service provider filed using "Inc." when the legal entity was actually "LLC" or vice versa. For your $180k machinery deal, I'd recommend getting a UCC search done on your business name variations before filing to see what's already on record. Also, since you mentioned equipment financing, make sure the service includes filing in the correct location - in California, most UCC filings go to the Secretary of State, but some fixture filings might need to be recorded at the county level where the equipment is located. Ask your service provider upfront how they handle entity name verification and whether they'll coordinate with your lender's requirements for collateral descriptions.

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This is really helpful advice about entity name verification! I hadn't thought about the Inc vs LLC issue but that makes total sense. Quick question - when you mention getting a UCC search done first, is that something the statement service typically includes or do we need to order that separately? And roughly what does a search cost? We want to be thorough but also mindful of costs adding up. Also, regarding the fixture filing distinction, how do we know if our machinery would be considered fixtures? It's industrial equipment that will be bolted down but could theoretically be removed and relocated.

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Sorry to hear about this situation. The UCC purchaser definition can be brutal when timing works against you. Have you considered whether there might be any insurance coverage for this kind of loss? Some lender policies cover situations where security interests are compromised by filing delays or other procedural issues.

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Definitely worth checking. Sometimes there's coverage for losses related to filing errors or timing issues even when the UCC purchaser definition doesn't help you recover the collateral.

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Elijah Brown

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Insurance might be your best bet for recovery if the purchaser definition analysis doesn't go your way.

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This is a tough situation but unfortunately pretty textbook on how the UCC purchaser definition works against secured parties with delayed filings. The three-week gap is really damaging to your position. Since the seller was a general contractor regularly dealing in equipment, the buyer likely qualifies as a purchaser in ordinary course under 9-320(a), which would give them priority over your unperfected security interest at the time of sale. Your main angles now are: (1) challenge whether the buyer actually gave value or took in good faith, (2) examine your security agreement for any disposal restrictions that might have been violated, and (3) focus recovery efforts on the borrower's remaining assets. The harsh reality is that Article 9's purchaser protections are designed to facilitate commerce even when it hurts secured parties who don't perfect promptly. Expensive lesson but critical to implement immediate filing procedures going forward.

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Madison King

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Don't stress too much about this - it's actually pretty common when you've had business financing. Here's what I'd recommend: First, do a quick search on Florida's UCC database (it's free online) using your business name and any variations to see what actually shows up. Second, if you still have your loan termination letters, compare the filing numbers - they should match if everything was properly terminated. The fact that someone is doing UCC research on your old business could actually be routine due diligence, especially if you're applying for credit elsewhere or if there's any business activity associated with your name. The key thing is to verify whether there are any active liens still showing in the system that should have been terminated when you paid off your equipment loans.

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Talia Klein

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This is really helpful advice, thank you! I'll definitely check the Florida UCC database first thing tomorrow. I'm hoping this is just routine due diligence like you mentioned, but it's good to know there are concrete steps I can take to verify everything. I never realized how complicated UCC filings could be even after paying off loans.

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I went through something very similar last year when I got a UCC request form from Texas even though my business was based in Colorado. Turned out my equipment leasing company had filed in multiple states because some of my trucks crossed state lines regularly. The good news is that getting this form doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem - it just means someone is doing their homework on UCC filings associated with your business name. I'd suggest taking a two-pronged approach: first, search Florida's UCC database online (it's free) to see what's actually on file, and second, contact your old lender to confirm they filed proper UCC-3 termination statements in all relevant states. Sometimes lenders only terminate in their home state and miss filings in other jurisdictions. The slight name variation you mentioned is actually a red flag though - make sure to search under multiple versions of your business name to get the complete picture.

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This is really valuable insight about the multi-state filing issue! I never thought about the fact that my trucking business might have triggered UCC filings in different states. That could definitely explain why I'm getting something from Florida even though my business was based in Tennessee. The equipment did travel through Florida regularly for deliveries, so that makes total sense. I'll definitely search under different variations of my business name like you suggested - knowing how picky these systems are about exact name matches, that's probably crucial for getting the full picture.

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