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Great thread everyone! One additional tip from my experience - if your brother's business has multiple loans or credit lines with the same bank, double-check that they're only terminating the UCC filing for the specific equipment loan that was paid off. I've seen cases where banks accidentally terminated the wrong UCC filing or tried to terminate multiple filings when only one loan was satisfied. Make sure the termination statement specifically references the correct original filing number and matches the exact collateral that was financed.
That's a really important point I hadn't considered! My brother does have a line of credit with the same bank for working capital, so we'll definitely need to make sure they're only terminating the UCC filing for the equipment loan. I'll ask specifically about the filing numbers when we go in to sign the paperwork. Thanks for bringing that up - could have been a real problem if they mixed up the filings.
Just wanted to add that you can also request a UCC search report from the Secretary of State's office after the termination is filed to confirm it actually shows up properly in the system. I always do this as a final verification step - costs maybe $10-20 but gives you peace of mind that the lien is truly cleared from public record. Sometimes there can be processing delays or technical glitches that prevent the termination from showing up immediately, so having that official search report is good documentation that everything was handled correctly.
One final check - verify that the original UCC-1 filing is still active and hasn't been terminated or amended in ways that might affect the continuation filing. Sometimes there are changes to the financing statement that you might not be aware of.
Usually wouldn't happen without authorization, but mistakes do occur. Worth checking the current status before filing continuation.
I actually use Certana.ai's verification tool for this too - it pulls current filing status and compares it against your continuation to make sure everything aligns properly.
Thanks Emma for bringing up this important timing question! As someone who's handled dozens of UCC-3 continuations, I always recommend filing as early as possible in that six-month window. You're absolutely right that maintaining continuous perfection is critical, especially with equipment and inventory collateral. I've seen too many situations where lenders waited until the last minute and ran into filing system delays or technical rejections that put their security interest at risk. Filing early in January 2025 gives you plenty of buffer time to address any potential issues. Also, since you mentioned both equipment and inventory, make sure to verify that your debtor hasn't relocated to a different state since the original 2020 filing - you might need to file in multiple jurisdictions depending on where the collateral is now located.
This is exactly the comprehensive advice I was hoping to see! The point about verifying debtor location changes since 2020 is particularly important - I hadn't considered that our borrower might have moved their principal place of business during the pandemic. Would you recommend doing a fresh UCC search in all potentially relevant states before filing the continuation, or is there a more efficient way to verify current jurisdictional requirements?
I just want to follow up on this thread because I think I figured out my problem. I was searching in the wrong section of the website. There's a difference between the 'Business Entity Search' and the 'UCC Search'. I was using the business entity search which is why I couldn't find my UCC filings. Once I switched to the actual UCC search section, I found most of my filings. Still having trouble with a couple but at least now I know I'm looking in the right place. Thanks everyone for the help!
Glad you got it sorted out! That's a common mistake. The UCC search is in a completely different section than the business entity records.
Great! Now that you've found your filings, make sure to check those lapse dates and set up a system to track continuation deadlines. That's just as important as finding the filings in the first place.
I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been using the Florida UCC search system for a few months but I keep running into issues with name variations. One thing I discovered is that if you're searching for a business that might have changed names or merged with another entity, you might need to search under the old name too. The UCC filing stays under whatever name was used when it was originally filed, even if the business has since changed its legal name. Also, for anyone still struggling with the search - I found that removing all punctuation (commas, periods, apostrophes) from the debtor name sometimes helps. The system can be really picky about special characters.
That's a really great point about business name changes! I hadn't thought about that scenario. We've had a few clients who went through mergers and acquisitions during the life of their loans, and I bet some of their UCC filings are still under the old entity names. Do you know if there's a way to link the old and new business names in the search system, or do you literally have to know the historical names and search each one separately?
One more thing about Washington UCC filings - they charge $12 for the standard UCC-1 which is pretty reasonable compared to other states. You can pay by credit card through their portal. The filing becomes effective immediately upon acceptance, and you should get your filing number and confirmation pretty quickly. Make sure you keep that filing number for any future amendments or continuations you might need to do down the road.
Good to know about the fee and immediate effectiveness. I'll make sure to save all the confirmation details for our loan files.
$12 is definitely reasonable. Some states charge way more for UCC filings. Washington keeps it simple.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm new to UCC filings and have been intimidated by the whole process. Reading through everyone's experiences with Washington state filings and the practical tips about entity name verification, collateral descriptions, and even the technical issues to watch out for has given me a much better understanding of what to expect. The Certana.ai tool mentioned by several people sounds like it could be a game-changer for someone like me who's still learning the ropes. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge - this is exactly the kind of real-world guidance that makes this community so valuable!
Carmen Diaz
Bottom line: your deed of trust and security agreement create the security interest, but UCC-1 filings perfect it for personal property. For equipment that might be fixtures, consider fixture filings to maintain priority. Don't assume your deed of trust covers everything - when in doubt, file the UCC-1. The small filing fee is nothing compared to losing your security interest.
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Emily Jackson
•Exactly. I've used Certana.ai to verify this kind of coverage before finalizing deals. It's helped me catch several potential gaps between deed of trust and security agreement coverage versus UCC filing requirements.
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Paolo Ricci
•Thanks everyone. I think I'll go with the dual filing approach - fixture filing for the attached equipment and regular UCC-1 for removable items. Better safe than sorry with this much collateral at stake.
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Philip Cowan
Smart decision on the dual filing approach, Paolo! I just wanted to add that when you're preparing your UCC-1 filings, make sure your collateral descriptions are very specific and don't overlap between the fixture filing and regular UCC-1. You want to clearly delineate which equipment falls under each category to avoid any confusion down the line. Also, consider including serial numbers or model numbers in your descriptions where possible - it makes enforcement much cleaner if you ever need to repossess. With $85,000 in equipment collateral, the extra specificity in your filings will pay dividends if there are ever any disputes about what's covered under your deed of trust versus your UCC filings.
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Yara Campbell
•Philip makes excellent points about collateral descriptions. I'd also suggest documenting the fixture determination process in your loan file - take photos of the equipment installation and get written opinions from your appraiser or someone familiar with local fixture law. If you ever have to defend your filing decisions in court or bankruptcy, having that documentation will be crucial. The judges I've appeared before really appreciate seeing that you made thoughtful decisions about fixture versus personal property classifications rather than just filing everything everywhere.
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