When to file FAFSA for 2026 high school graduate? Confused about timeline
My son is graduating high school in June 2026, and I'm trying to plan ahead for college finances. I'm completely confused about when we should start the FAFSA process. Do we file during his senior year or after he graduates? Some parents at school mentioned something about the application opening in October, but I'm not sure if that's for the 2025-2026 or 2026-2027 academic year. Also, do colleges look at our income from this year or next year? I want to make sure we don't miss any deadlines since he'll be applying to some competitive schools. Any help understanding the timeline would be greatly appreciated!
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Elliott luviBorBatman
you need to file the year BEFORE he goes to college. so if he graduates June 2026 and starts college august/sept 2026, you file the fafsa that opens october 2025. they changed all the rules recently tho so double check.
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Rosie Harper
•Thanks! So that means we'd be filing during his senior year of high school, right? Do you know what tax year information they'll use? I'm wondering if we should be planning anything financially this year or next.
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Demi Hall
For a student starting college in Fall 2026, you'll need to complete the 2026-2027 FAFSA which opens in October 2025. The FAFSA uses what's called the "prior-prior year" tax information, which means for the 2026-2027 form, you'll report your 2024 tax information (the taxes you file in spring 2025). Mark your calendar for October 1, 2025 - that's when the application opens. But remember, many colleges also have their own financial aid deadlines that are earlier than the federal deadline, especially for competitive schools. I'd recommend checking with each college your son is applying to for their specific financial aid deadlines. Also worth noting - if your son is applying to private schools, many require the CSS Profile in addition to the FAFSA, and that has its own timeline and requirements.
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Rosie Harper
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! So our 2024 income will be what matters for his financial aid package. I had no idea about the CSS Profile - I'll definitely look into that since he's considering a couple of private universities.
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Mateusius Townsend
my daughter graduated 2025 and we STILL messed up the timeline lol. nobody explains this stuff clearly!! we thought we could wait until after acceptances but then we missed priority deadlines at 2 schools. definitely do it right when it opens in october!!
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Rosie Harper
•Oh no, that's exactly what I'm worried about! I definitely don't want to miss any priority deadlines. Did your daughter lose out on any aid because of the timing issue?
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Kara Yoshida
As others have mentioned, for a student starting college in Fall 2026, you'll file the 2026-2027 FAFSA which opens October 1, 2025. Here's a complete timeline to help you plan: • NOW: Research each potential college's financial aid deadlines and requirements • NOW-2024: Understand that your 2024 tax information will determine aid eligibility • OCTOBER 1, 2025: FAFSA application opens • OCTOBER-NOVEMBER 2025: Submit FAFSA as early as possible (priority deadlines) • OCTOBER-DECEMBER 2025: Submit CSS Profile for private colleges (if required) • DECEMBER 2025-FEBRUARY 2026: Watch for college-specific financial aid deadlines • JANUARY-MARCH 2026: Complete verification if selected • MARCH-APRIL 2026: Review and compare financial aid packages One important note: Since your son is graduating in 2026, his Student Aid Index (SAI) calculation will be based on the newer FAFSA Simplification rules. This means a slightly different formula than what's been used historically, potentially affecting aid amounts.
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Rosie Harper
•This timeline is perfect - exactly what I needed! I've saved it to my notes. I hadn't heard about the SAI calculation or the FAFSA Simplification rules. Is there somewhere I can read more about how those might affect us?
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Philip Cowan
When I called the Federal Student Aid info center to ask this same question for my daughter they kept me on hold for 2 HOURS and then disconnected me! so frustrating trying to get basic info. But yeah Oct 2025 is when you start for a 2026 HS grad.
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Caesar Grant
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Lena Schultz
Everyone keeps saying October but BE CAREFUL - they delayed the FAFSA opening date the last two years! For the 2024-2025 FAFSA it was supposed to open Oct 1, 2023 but actually opened Dec 30. For the 2025-2026 they said it would be "early October" but who knows. Just keep an eye on the studentaid.gov announcements starting in September 2025 so you don't miss anything.
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Rosie Harper
•That's really good to know - I had no idea they've been delaying the opening dates. I'll definitely keep checking studentaid.gov for updates closer to the time. Thanks for the heads up!
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Demi Hall
Something else to consider - if your income situation is going to significantly change between 2024 (the tax year they'll use) and 2026 (when your student begins college), you should know about financial aid appeals. Once you receive aid offers, you can request a professional judgment review from the financial aid office if your circumstances have changed. Common situations where this applies: - Job loss or significant income reduction - High medical expenses not covered by insurance - One-time income event in 2024 that inflated your income - Support of extended family members This won't change your FAFSA SAI, but individual schools can adjust their aid packages based on this additional information.
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Rosie Harper
•This is really valuable information. My husband might be switching careers in 2025, which could impact our income. I'll definitely keep the professional judgment review option in mind if our financial situation changes significantly after we file the FAFSA.
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Mateusius Townsend
btw does anyone know if the parent plus loans are part of the fafsa or is that separate? i always get confused abt the different types of aid
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Kara Yoshida
•Parent PLUS loans are federal loans that parents can take out to help pay for their child's education, but they're not automatically offered through the FAFSA process. After you submit the FAFSA, your student will receive a financial aid package that includes their direct eligibility for grants, work-study, and student loans. If these don't cover the full cost, that's when Parent PLUS loans come into play. You have to apply for them separately at studentaid.gov, and they require a credit check. Unlike student loans, PLUS loans are entirely in the parent's name, and the parent is solely responsible for repayment.
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Gemma Andrews
your talking about the 26-27 FAFSA... i wonder if they'll have fixed all the problems with the new system by then lol! the roll out of the new FAFSA has been a DISASTER this year!!
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Philip Cowan
•SERIOUSLY!! My nephew's college fund is literally sitting there unused because the financial aid office still hasn't processed his FAFSA from JANUARY. The whole system is broken. I hope they get it fixed by 2025 but I'm not holding my breath.
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Zara Shah
Thank you so much everyone for all this helpful information! As a newcomer to this whole process, I had no idea how complex the FAFSA timeline could be. The detailed breakdown from @Kara Yoshida is especially helpful - I'm printing that out and putting it on my calendar right now. It sounds like the key takeaway is to file as soon as the 2026-2027 FAFSA opens (hopefully October 1, 2025, but I'll watch for delays), use our 2024 tax info, and research each college's specific deadlines ahead of time. I'm definitely going to start making a spreadsheet of all the schools my son is interested in and their financial aid requirements. One follow-up question - for those of you who've been through this recently, how long did it actually take you to complete the FAFSA once you had all your documents ready? I want to make sure I block out enough time when it opens.
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Yara Sayegh
Welcome to the FAFSA journey! @Zara Shah - to answer your question about timing, once you have all your documents ready, the actual FAFSA completion typically takes 30-45 minutes if everything goes smoothly. However, I'd recommend blocking out 2-3 hours for your first time doing it, especially since you'll want to double-check everything and the system can be slow during peak times right after it opens. Pro tip: Gather all your documents beforehand - your 2024 tax return, W-2s, bank statements, investment records, and your son's Social Security card. The FSA ID creation for both you and your son should be done a few days before the FAFSA opens, not the day of. Also, since you mentioned competitive schools - many of those have financial aid deadlines in November or December, so even though the federal deadline is much later, you really do want to submit as close to October 1st as possible. Good luck with the process!
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Zoe Wang
•Thank you @Yara Sayegh for the timing breakdown! That s'really helpful to know it s'about 30-45 minutes once you re'prepared, but planning for 2-3 hours makes total sense for the first time. I ll'definitely get those FSA IDs set up ahead of time - I can see how that would slow things down if you re'trying to do it all at once on opening day. The document checklist is perfect too, I m'going to start gathering everything now so I m'not scrambling in October. Really appreciate all the advice from everyone here!
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Adrian Connor
As someone who just went through this process with my daughter last year, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help! First, create a dedicated email folder for all FAFSA and financial aid communications - you'll get a LOT of emails from colleges, the Department of Education, and verification requests. Having everything organized in one place is a lifesaver. Second, if you have multiple children, keep in mind that having more than one in college at the same time can significantly impact your Expected Family Contribution (now called Student Aid Index). So if you have other kids who might overlap in college years, that's worth factoring into your planning. Finally, don't forget about state aid! Many states have their own financial aid programs with earlier deadlines than the federal FAFSA. Check your state's higher education website for specific deadlines and requirements - some states award aid on a first-come, first-served basis, so timing really matters. The whole process feels overwhelming at first, but once you get through it the first time, it becomes much more manageable. You've got this!
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Cameron Black
•Thank you @Adrian Connor for these additional tips! The email folder idea is brilliant - I can already imagine how quickly those communications could pile up and get lost in my regular inbox. I hadn t'thought about the sibling impact either, but that s'actually relevant for us since my younger daughter will be starting college just two years after my son, so there might be some overlap depending on if he does a graduate program. The state aid reminder is really important too. I just looked up our state s'program and you re'right - they do have earlier deadlines than the federal FAFSA. I m'adding those dates to my timeline spreadsheet right now. It s'amazing how many different pieces there are to this puzzle, but having everyone s'real-world experience shared here makes it so much less intimidating. I m'feeling much more confident about tackling this process now!
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Donna Cline
Just wanted to chime in as another parent going through this process! My daughter is also graduating in 2026, so I'm bookmarking this entire thread - so much valuable information here that I hadn't found anywhere else. One thing I learned from talking to our high school counselor is that some schools offer "early estimate" calculators on their websites that can give you a rough idea of what aid to expect before you even apply. It's not binding or anything, but it helped us narrow down which schools might be financially realistic to even put on the application list. Also, if your son is interested in merit scholarships (not just need-based aid), many of those have application deadlines that are separate from and sometimes earlier than the FAFSA deadlines. Worth checking each school's scholarship page individually since they don't always make it obvious on the main admissions page. The amount of planning this requires is honestly shocking - I thought college applications were complicated enough, but the financial aid piece is a whole other beast! Thank goodness for communities like this where parents can share real experiences.
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Oliver Schulz
•@Donna Cline This is such a helpful addition! I m'definitely going to look into those early estimate calculators - what a great way to get a reality check on financial feasibility before we get too invested in specific schools. And you re'absolutely right about merit scholarships having their own timelines. I ve'been so focused on the need-based aid process that I hadn t'even started researching merit opportunities yet. It really is overwhelming how many different deadlines and requirements there are between applications, need-based aid, merit scholarships, and state programs. I m'starting to understand why people say to treat this like a part-time job! But honestly, threads like this make me feel like I m'not alone in figuring it all out. Thanks for sharing your experience - it s'reassuring to know other 2026 parents are in the same boat and we can learn from each other!
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QuantumQuasar
As a financial aid counselor at a community college, I wanted to add a few professional insights to this excellent discussion! One thing I always tell parents is to run the Net Price Calculator on each college's website - it's federally mandated that they provide this tool, and it gives you a much more accurate estimate than generic calculators. Use your 2024 tax information when you run these in late 2024/early 2025 since that's what the actual FAFSA will use. Also, I see a lot of confusion about verification - about 1/3 of FAFSA applicants get selected for this process where you have to submit additional documents to prove the information you entered. It's not an audit or a problem, just a routine check, but it can delay your aid package by weeks if you don't respond quickly. Keep all your tax documents handy even after filing! One more tip: if your family has any unusual circumstances (divorce, separation, grandparents paying tuition, small business ownership), I'd strongly recommend scheduling a consultation with each college's financial aid office after admission but before making final decisions. Every school interprets these situations differently, and it can significantly impact your aid package. The process is definitely complex, but don't let that discourage you from applying to schools you think might be out of reach financially - you might be surprised by the aid packages you receive!
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Aaliyah Jackson
•Thank you @QuantumQuasar for the professional perspective! This is exactly the kind of insider knowledge that's so hard to find elsewhere. The Net Price Calculator tip is particularly valuable - I had no idea these were federally mandated, so I know they'll be more accurate than the random calculators I've been finding online. The verification process information is really helpful too. It's good to know that it's routine and not a red flag if we get selected, but I'll definitely keep all our documents organized and respond quickly if needed. Your point about unusual circumstances is especially relevant for us since we do have a small business, and I've been wondering how that would affect things. I'll make sure to schedule those financial aid consultations after admissions decisions come in. It sounds like it could make a real difference in the final packages. I really appreciate you taking the time to share your professional insights with us parents who are navigating this for the first time. It's reassuring to hear from someone who works in financial aid that we shouldn't let the complexity discourage us from applying to reach schools!
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Ava Williams
Wow, this thread has been incredibly enlightening! As someone completely new to the financial aid world, I had no idea there were so many moving pieces to coordinate. Reading through everyone's experiences has been both eye-opening and honestly a bit overwhelming, but in a good way - better to know what I'm getting into now rather than be surprised later! I'm particularly grateful for the professional insights from @QuantumQuasar about the Net Price Calculators and verification process. And the timeline breakdown from @Kara Yoshida is going straight into my planning documents. One thing I'm wondering about - for those who have been through this process, how did you stay organized with tracking all the different deadlines across multiple schools? Did you use a specific app, spreadsheet, or system that worked well? With potentially 8-10 schools on our list, each with their own FAFSA deadlines, CSS Profile requirements, merit scholarship dates, and state aid timelines, I'm already feeling like I need a project management system just to keep it all straight! Also, @Adrian Connor mentioned state aid programs - I just discovered our state has a grant program I'd never heard of that could be significant. It's making me wonder what other aid opportunities might be flying under my radar. Are there any good comprehensive resources for finding all the different types of aid available (federal, state, institutional, private scholarships, etc.)? Thanks again to everyone for sharing your knowledge and experiences. This community is such a valuable resource for parents like me who are figuring this out for the first time!
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Madison Tipne
•Welcome to the financial aid journey @Ava Williams! Your questions about staying organized really resonate with me - I felt the same way when I first started researching this process. For tracking deadlines, I created a Google Sheets spreadsheet with columns for: School Name, FAFSA Deadline, CSS Profile Deadline, Merit Scholarship Deadlines, State Aid Deadline, and Notes. I color-coded everything by urgency and set up Google Calendar reminders for each deadline. Some parents in our local Facebook group swear by apps like Notion or Trello, but honestly a simple spreadsheet worked great for me. As for finding aid opportunities, I'd recommend starting with your state's Department of Higher Education website - that's where I found programs I never knew existed. Also check with your son's high school guidance counselor, as they often have lists of local scholarships that don't get much publicity. The college websites themselves are goldmines too - beyond the obvious merit scholarships, many have departmental awards, alumni scholarships, and even awards for specific majors that aren't well advertised. One resource that helped me was the book "Paying for College Without Going Broke" - it's updated annually and has comprehensive lists of aid sources. Your local library probably has the current edition. The overwhelm is totally normal! But breaking it down into manageable chunks like you're already doing makes it much less intimidating. You've got this!
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Charlotte Jones
As a parent who just finished this process with my oldest (class of 2025), I wanted to jump in and emphasize something that hasn't been mentioned yet - the importance of understanding your Expected Family Contribution (EFC) or Student Aid Index (SAI) early in the process. You can get a rough estimate of your SAI using the Federal Student Aid Estimator on studentaid.gov right now, using your 2024 tax information. This will give you a ballpark figure that helps you understand what colleges will expect your family to contribute. It's not perfect, but it's helpful for setting realistic expectations about aid eligibility. Also, I noticed someone mentioned CSS Profile earlier - this is CRUCIAL for private schools and some state schools. The CSS Profile digs much deeper into your finances than the FAFSA (home equity, retirement accounts, etc.) and often results in a higher expected contribution than the FAFSA alone. If your son is applying to any Profile schools, factor that into your timeline because it typically opens in early October and some schools want it submitted before their early decision/action deadlines. One last tip - if you're self-employed or have rental income, consider meeting with a tax professional before filing your 2024 taxes. Sometimes there are legitimate ways to structure your income that can help with financial aid eligibility, but this needs to be planned in advance. The whole process is definitely a marathon, not a sprint, but all the planning you're doing now will pay off!
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Mateo Sanchez
•Thank you @Charlotte Jones for bringing up the SAI/EFC piece - this is something I hadn t'even thought to research yet! I m'definitely going to use that Federal Student Aid Estimator right away to get a baseline understanding of what we might be expected to contribute. It sounds like having that number early will help us set realistic expectations and maybe even influence which schools make it onto the final application list. The CSS Profile information is really valuable too. I had heard it mentioned but didn t'realize it goes so much deeper than the FAFSA or that it often results in higher expected contributions. Since my son is definitely looking at some private schools, I ll'need to add CSS Profile deadlines to my tracking spreadsheet alongside all the FAFSA dates. Your point about self-employment is particularly relevant for us since we do have some rental property income. I hadn t'considered that there might be legitimate ways to structure things that could help with aid eligibility. I ll'definitely look into meeting with a tax professional before we file our 2024 taxes - it sounds like that investment could potentially pay off significantly in the aid process. It s'amazing how much strategic thinking goes into this whole process. Thank you for sharing your real-world experience from just going through it - that perspective is invaluable for those of us just starting out!
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Selena Bautista
As someone who's been working in higher education for over a decade, I wanted to add a few insights that might help clarify some of the confusion around FAFSA timing and requirements. First, regarding the delays mentioned by @Lena Schultz - while it's true that recent years have seen delays, the Department of Education has stated they're committed to returning to the traditional October 1st launch date for the 2026-2027 FAFSA. That said, it's always wise to monitor studentaid.gov for official announcements starting in September 2025. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of understanding dependency status. For most high school graduates, you'll be completing the FAFSA as a dependent student, which means both student and parent information is required. However, there are specific circumstances where a student might qualify as independent (married, military service, etc.), which would significantly change the application process. Also, for families with divorced or separated parents, the FAFSA has specific rules about which parent's information to include - it's the parent who provides more than 50% of the student's support, regardless of custody arrangements. This can get complicated and is worth understanding early in the process. Finally, I'd encourage everyone to sign up for Federal Student Aid's email updates and follow their social media channels. They provide real-time information about system maintenance, deadlines, and important changes that can affect your application timeline. The learning curve is steep, but you're all asking the right questions and doing the research that will set your students up for success!
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GalaxyGazer
•Thank you @Selena Bautista for these important clarifications! It s'reassuring to hear from someone with your experience in higher education that the Department of Education is committed to getting back to the October 1st launch date - that gives me more confidence in planning around that timeline. The dependency status information is really helpful. I hadn t'even thought about those circumstances that could change a student from dependent to independent status, but it s'good to know what factors could potentially affect the application process. The point about divorced/separated parents is particularly valuable since I know several families in our school district dealing with that situation. The 50% support rule seems like it could get really complicated to determine, especially in shared custody situations. I m'definitely going to sign up for those Federal Student Aid email updates and social media channels - having real-time information about system maintenance and changes sounds crucial for staying on top of everything. As someone completely new to this process, having insights from education professionals like you alongside all the parent experiences shared here is making me feel so much more prepared. Thank you for taking the time to share your expertise with us!
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Caleb Stark
This thread has been absolutely invaluable! As a parent of a 2026 graduate, I was completely lost about FAFSA timing until I found this discussion. The step-by-step timeline from @Kara Yoshida and the professional insights from @QuantumQuasar and @Selena Bautista have given me the roadmap I desperately needed. I'm now planning to: - Use the Federal Student Aid Estimator with our 2024 tax info to get baseline expectations - Create a comprehensive tracking spreadsheet for all schools with FAFSA, CSS Profile, and merit scholarship deadlines - Set up FSA IDs well before October 2025 - Research our state aid programs (already found two I didn't know existed!) - Consider meeting with a tax professional since we have some investment income One question I haven't seen addressed - for families who might see significant income fluctuation between 2024 and 2026 (like potential job changes or business variations), is there any benefit to strategically timing certain financial decisions in 2024 knowing it will impact the aid calculation? Obviously within legal and ethical bounds, but I'm curious if there are common strategies families use. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences - this community is amazing for first-time parents navigating this maze!
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Keisha Williams
•@Caleb Stark Great question about income timing strategies! While I m'definitely not a financial advisor, I ve'learned a few things from going through this process myself. Some families do consider timing certain financial moves in the base "year 2024" (for your situation -) things like deferring bonuses, timing stock sales, or maximizing retirement contributions to reduce adjusted gross income. However, it s'really important to work with a qualified tax professional or financial advisor who understands both tax implications AND financial aid impact, because some strategies that help with taxes can actually hurt aid eligibility and vice versa. Also remember that if your income drops significantly between the base year and when your student actually starts college, you can always appeal through the professional judgment process that @Demi Hall mentioned earlier. The key is not to make any major financial decisions solely based on financial aid implications without professional guidance!
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Jamal Washington
As a newcomer to this community and the FAFSA process, I'm incredibly grateful for all the detailed information shared here! Reading through this thread has been like taking a crash course in college financial aid - I had no idea how complex and strategic this process could be. I'm in a similar situation with my daughter graduating in 2026, and I was completely confused about the timeline until finding this discussion. The key points I'm taking away are: - File the 2026-2027 FAFSA when it opens (hopefully October 1, 2025) - Use our 2024 tax information for the application - Research each college's specific financial aid deadlines since many are earlier than federal deadlines - Don't forget about CSS Profile for private schools - Look into state aid programs that might have their own requirements @Kara Yoshida's timeline breakdown is exactly what I needed, and the real-world experiences from parents like @Mateusius Townsend about missing priority deadlines really drove home how important it is to file early. The professional insights from @QuantumQuasar about verification and unusual circumstances are invaluable too. One thing I'm still wrapping my head around is how to balance applying to reach schools financially while being realistic about aid expectations. The Net Price Calculator suggestion seems like it will be crucial for making those decisions. Thank you all for creating such a supportive community for parents navigating this process for the first time!
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Danielle Campbell
•Welcome to the community @Jamal Washington! I'm also new here and have been following this thread closely since I'm in the exact same situation with my son graduating in 2026. It's been such a relief to find other parents going through this process and getting real answers from people who've actually been there. The balance between reach schools and financial reality is something I'm struggling with too. What I'm planning to do is run those Net Price Calculators for all the schools on our list once we have our 2024 tax information finalized, then have honest conversations with my son about which schools might be feasible financially. I figure it's better to have those discussions early rather than deal with disappointment after acceptance letters come in. One thing that's helped me feel less overwhelmed is breaking this down into phases - right now I'm focused on research and organization (making lists, learning deadlines, understanding the process), then in late 2024 I'll run the calculators and refine our school list, and finally the actual application phase will be fall 2025. This community has been amazing for getting practical advice that you just can't find in the official resources. Thanks to everyone who's shared their experiences!
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Aisha Rahman
As another newcomer to this community, I wanted to thank everyone for such an incredibly informative discussion! I'm also navigating this process for the first time with my daughter who will be graduating in 2026, and I honestly had no idea where to even begin with FAFSA timing until I found this thread. The comprehensive timeline from @Kara Yoshida is a lifesaver - I've already saved it and started setting up calendar reminders. And hearing about the real-world challenges like @Mateusius Townsend's experience with missing priority deadlines really emphasizes how crucial it is to stay on top of these dates. I'm particularly grateful for the professional insights about verification, CSS Profile requirements, and the reminder about state aid programs. I just checked our state's website and discovered we have several grant programs I never knew existed! One thing I'm curious about - for those who have completed this process, did you find it helpful to attend any financial aid workshops or information sessions at local high schools or colleges? Our school district mentioned they might offer some sessions next fall, and I'm wondering if they're worth attending given all the great information available in communities like this. Thanks again to everyone for sharing your knowledge and experiences. It's made what seemed like an impossible maze feel much more manageable!
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Arnav Bengali
•Welcome @Aisha Rahman! I'm so glad you found this thread helpful - it's been a game-changer for me too as someone completely new to this process. Regarding your question about financial aid workshops, I haven't attended any yet since my son is also a 2026 graduate, but I've heard mixed reviews from other parents. Some say the workshops cover basics you can find online, while others found them helpful for asking specific questions and getting clarification on confusing topics. I think it might depend on who's running the workshop - if it's an experienced financial aid counselor, it could be really valuable for the Q&A portion alone. I'm planning to attend our school district's session if they offer one, mainly because I still have so many specific questions about our particular situation (we have some rental income that I'm not sure how to handle). Plus, it would be nice to connect with other local parents going through the same timeline. The fact that you already discovered state grant programs just from this discussion shows how much valuable information is out there waiting to be found! I'm still working through my state's website and keep finding new programs. It's amazing how much aid is available that just isn't well-publicized. Thanks for joining the conversation - the more parents we have sharing experiences and questions, the better resource this becomes for all of us!
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