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Freya Larsen

Should we file FAFSA with $135k income + investment property in Washington State?

I'm super late to the FAFSA game and feeling totally lost (my son graduates HS in a few months!). We live in Washington state where our family income doesn't stretch as far as it might elsewhere. Our 2023 tax return shows about $135,000 income (down year for me - I'm commission-based), but we have an investment property, some retirement savings, and a 529 plan we've been building. My 2024 income will definitely be much higher. Everyone keeps telling me to fill out the FAFSA anyway, but I'm hesitant to waste time if we won't qualify for anything. The investment property isn't liquid, and while we can technically cover tuition ourselves, it would mean serious lifestyle adjustments. Is there ANY point in completing FAFSA with our income/assets? Does FAFSA consider regional cost-of-living differences? We're debt-averse and weren't planning to take loans, but maybe there's something I'm missing? This whole US college funding system is completely foreign to me (I went to school in Canada decades ago).

YES! You should absolutely complete the FAFSA regardless of income level. Here's why: 1. Many schools use FAFSA for merit-based scholarships too, not just need-based aid 2. The SAI (Student Aid Index) calculation is complex - you might be eligible for more than you think 3. Some schools have very high income thresholds, especially private institutions 4. Your lower 2023 income actually works in your favor (FAFSA now uses prior-prior year tax info) 5. Schools can't consider you for certain institutional aid without a FAFSA on file Regarding regional cost differences - unfortunately, federal methodology doesn't account for geographic cost-of-living variations. However, some schools may consider this in their institutional methodology when awarding their own funds. As for student loans, at minimum you'll qualify for unsubsidized federal Direct loans, which have more favorable terms than private loans if you ever decide you need them.

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Freya Larsen

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Thank you! This is really helpful. I had no idea about the merit-based scholarships requiring FAFSA. When you mention SAI, is that the new calculation replacing EFC? I've been reading outdated information I think.

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Yes exactly! The Student Aid Index (SAI) replaced the old Expected Family Contribution (EFC) starting with the 2024-2025 FAFSA. The calculation is similar but with some important differences. The new FAFSA also simplified some questions and eliminated others. Your investment property will still factor in, but perhaps not as heavily as you might fear.

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Omar Zaki

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u should DEFINITELY fill it out!!! my parents made around that much and I still got offered some grants at 2 of the 4 schools I applied to!! one private school gave me like $23,000 per year even tho my parents made more than yours. u never know what might happen unless u try

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Freya Larsen

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Wow, that's encouraging! Were these need-based grants or merit scholarships? I'm trying to understand the distinction better.

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Omar Zaki

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tbh im not 100% sure lol. i think it was a mix? one was def called a "grant" on my award letter but the other one was some weird name specific to the school. i think alot of schools just want students they like and will find a way to give $ if they want u bad enough

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Chloe Taylor

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I'm a financial aid counselor at a private university in Washington. Here's my professional advice: 1. You MUST complete the FAFSA. There are numerous institutional scholarships that require it, even for families with substantial assets. 2. Many WA schools have specific programs for in-state students that require FAFSA completion. 3. Your 2023 income being lower ($135k) is actually advantageous for FAFSA purposes. 4. Investment properties are factored in, but not as heavily as liquid assets. The 529 is actually assessed at a lower rate than other parent assets. 5. Washington's College Bound Scholarship and Washington College Grant programs have increasingly expanded eligibility. Also, about being debt-averse - that's understandable, but federal student loans (not Parent PLUS) for undergraduates have reasonable interest rates and flexible repayment options. They can be a strategic tool even if you could pay out-of-pocket.

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Freya Larsen

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This is fantastic information. I had no idea about the WA-specific programs! When you say the 529 is assessed at a lower rate, does that mean we're somewhat "penalized" for saving responsibly? That seems counterintuitive.

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Chloe Taylor

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It does seem counterintuitive! Parent-owned 529 plans are assessed at a maximum of 5.64% in the SAI calculation, versus general assets at the same rate. However, the 529 is considered a parental asset, which is much better than if it were considered a student asset (assessed at 20%). And no, you're definitely not being heavily penalized for saving. Having accessible funds for college is ALWAYS better than qualifying for slightly more aid. The formula is designed to identify families with genuine need, and savings just means you'll have more options.

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Diego Flores

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Total waste of time in ur situation, honestly. The FAFSA is designed to take ALL ur assets into account. That investment property? They'll count it. Those savings? They'll count them. The system is rigged against responsible families who've saved. My brother makes $140k in a cheaper state and got ZERO aid, not even loans. Washington state is expensive but the FAFSA doesn't care AT ALL about regional differences. U'll end up with a sky-high SAI and zero help. The whole system is messed up. You'll be paying full price no matter what.

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This isn't entirely accurate. While the FAFSA does consider assets, there are many exclusions and protections. For example, retirement accounts aren't counted, and there's an Asset Protection Allowance based on the parents' age. The FAFSA also has education expense allowances and an income protection allowance that reduces the amount considered available for college. Even with substantial assets, filing the FAFSA opens doors to opportunities that would otherwise be closed. Many merit scholarships explicitly require a FAFSA on file.

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Diego Flores

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Maybe for some fancy private schools, but for state schools? Nope. They'll see that investment property and kiss any aid goodbye. The "protection allowances" are a joke - they protect like $10k max when houses cost $800k in WA. The system is designed to extract maximum $$ from families.

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I was in a similar situation (made around $145k) with rental property and still got: - $5k/yr grant from one private college - $2,500/yr work study eligibility - Federal student loan eligibility (which we didn't use but nice to have available) - Qualified for a specific engineering scholarship that REQUIRED fafsa It took me like 40 minutes total to file. Worth it for thousands in potential aid! Just make sure you have your 2023 tax return handy - makes it much easier.

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Sean Murphy

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That's actually really interesting. I wonder if different schools calculate things differently? My daughter applied to 6 schools last year (we make about $150k) and got wildly different aid packages. One expensive private school gave her almost nothing, while a similarly priced one gave her $22k/year. FAFSA was identical for both.

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Absolutely - each school has their own "institutional methodology" on top of the federal FAFSA calculation. That's why it's so important to file regardless of income. You just never know!

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StarStrider

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Freya Larsen

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I haven't tried calling them directly - I assumed it would be a bureaucratic nightmare. I'll check out that service, thanks! Did you find that the FSA agent gave you different info than what was on their website?

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StarStrider

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100% yes. The website is so generic, but the agent was able to look at my specific situation and explain which factors would help vs. hurt my daughter's aid eligibility. They also told me that with the new FAFSA formula changes, many middle-income families are seeing different results than they would have under the old system. Seriously worth the call.

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Chloe Taylor

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A quick clarification about the investment property since you mentioned it specifically: on the FAFSA, the investment property equity value is reported if it's not your primary residence. However, it's treated as a parental asset and assessed at no more than 5.64%. Example: If your investment property has $500,000 in equity, only about $28,200 maximum would be considered available for college expenses in the SAI calculation. And even that amount would be reduced by other protections in the formula. This is why blanket statements about "you won't qualify with property" are often incorrect. The calculation is much more nuanced.

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Freya Larsen

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That's really helpful and much less scary than I thought. Are mortgages on investment properties factored in too? Ours still has a substantial mortgage.

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Chloe Taylor

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Great question - yes, mortgages are factored in. You report the current market value MINUS the outstanding mortgage balance. So if your property is worth $700k but has a $400k mortgage, you'd only report $300k in equity. And again, only a maximum of 5.64% of that would impact your SAI.

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Sean Murphy

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Just want to add that you don't have to take loans even if they're offered! We completed FAFSA, got offered loans, took the grants/scholarships and declined the loans. Having the FAFSA on file just gives you options.

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Freya Larsen

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That makes sense. I think I was confused about whether accepting certain types of aid required taking loans too. Sounds like we can pick and choose from the aid package?

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Sean Murphy

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Exactly! The financial aid offer will list everything separately, and you can accept or decline each item individually. We accepted the merit scholarship and small grant, but declined all loans. No issues at all.

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Omar Zaki

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have u looked at ur sons school list?? diff schools have TOTALLY diff aid policies. my friend got nothing from UW but got $$$ from gonzaga with same fafsa!

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This is so true! My niece applied to 7 schools and the aid packages varied by over $25k/year between them - same FAFSA info! The net price calculators on school websites can give you an estimate before you even apply.

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Diego Flores

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Whatever u do, fill it out EARLY!!! The new FAFSA was a disaster this year and people who waited got SCREWED with less aid because money ran out at some schools. January deadline if possible!!

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Great point about timing. While federal aid like Pell Grants doesn't run out, many institutional and state-based aid programs are first-come, first-served. Washington's state grant programs especially benefit from early application. The FAFSA for 2025-2026 should open in December 2024.

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NebulaNomad

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As someone who works in financial aid at a community college, I want to emphasize something that hasn't been mentioned yet - even if you don't qualify for need-based federal aid, completing the FAFSA can make your son eligible for unsubsidized federal Direct Loans, which have much better terms than private loans. Also, Washington state has some unique programs worth considering. The Washington College Grant has expanded significantly and now covers families making up to about $100k+ depending on family size. Even if you're slightly over the income threshold, it's worth checking. One more thing - if your 2024 income is going to be significantly higher than 2023, that actually works in your favor for the 2025-2026 FAFSA since it uses 2023 tax info. This might be your best year to apply for aid before your higher income kicks in for future FAFSA calculations. The whole process really does take less than an hour once you have your tax documents ready. Given the potential upside and minimal time investment, I'd strongly recommend filing!

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