Will the new 2025 Social Security law affect my survivor benefits with police pension? GPO/WEP question
I'm super confused about this new Social Security law everyone's talking about that just got signed. I receive survivor benefits from my late husband AND his police pension. I've been getting both for about 3 years now. My sister called yesterday saying something about how this new law changes things for people with government pensions? Something about WEP or GPO getting changed? I have no idea if they've been reducing my survivor benefits all this time because of his police pension, or if this new law will change my payments. My monthly survivor benefit is $1,780 and his police pension is $3,250 monthly. How do I find out if I'm affected by this Government Pension Offset thing and if my payments will change with this new law? The SSA website is so confusing and I can't find anything specific to my situation!
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AstroAdventurer
The new law you're referring to is likely the Social Security Fairness Act that affects GPO (Government Pension Offset) and WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision). These provisions have been reducing benefits for people who receive government pensions from jobs not covered by Social Security. The GPO specifically affects survivor benefits like yours. If you're already receiving reduced survivor benefits due to GPO, your benefit statement from SSA should show this. Look for language like "offset due to government pension" or similar wording on your benefit statement. GPO typically reduces survivor benefits by 2/3 of your government pension amount. You should contact SSA directly to confirm if GPO is currently applied to your case, and how the new law might change your benefits. The changes typically have phase-in periods, so any increases would likely be gradual.
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Carmen Lopez
•Thank you for explaining! This makes more sense now. I think I need to find my benefit statements to see if there's any mention of a reduction. Do you think they would clearly show if GPO was applied? I'm terrible with understanding all these forms and abbreviations.
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Andre Dupont
my husbnd was fire dept & i had same issue!! they DEFINATELY take 2/3 of your police pension off ur SS check! its highway robbery if u ask me, we EARNED both!!! check ur SS statement it should say GPO reduction somewhere. the new law is supposed to fix this theft but who knows when
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Carmen Lopez
•Oh wow, so they probably ARE taking money out of my check! I didn't realize that's what was happening. I assumed I was getting the full survivor benefit. No wonder my sister was so excited about the new law. I need to find my statements right away.
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Zoe Papanikolaou
Based on the numbers you've shared, it's highly likely the GPO (Government Pension Offset) is affecting your survivor benefits. With a police pension of $3,250, the GPO would reduce your survivor benefit by approximately $2,167 (2/3 of $3,250). Without GPO, your survivor benefit might have been around $3,947 ($1,780 + $2,167) before any reductions. This is just an estimate since I don't know your late husband's full earnings history. The Social Security Fairness Act aims to eliminate or phase out these reductions, but implementation details and timelines would be specified in the legislation. Some changes may be immediate while others might be phased in over years. I recommend calling SSA directly to get an official assessment of how the new law specifically affects your situation.
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Carmen Lopez
•Wait, are you saying I could be entitled to over $2,000 more each month?!? That's a HUGE difference! I had no idea they were taking that much away. No wonder so many people are excited about this law changing. I really need to talk to someone at SSA about this.
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Jamal Wilson
I tried calling SSA about the same thing last week. Spent 3 hours on hold and then got disconnected! So frustrating. Has anyone actually gotten through to a person lately?
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Mei Lin
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Liam Fitzgerald
Had similar situation with my wife's teacher pension and my survivor benefits. The GPO reduction is definitely there, but it's not always clearly labeled on statements. I had to specifically ask for a breakdown of my benefit calculation. Just to clarify one thing - the law hasn't been fully implemented yet. Even after signing, there's usually a period before all provisions take effect. Some changes might be immediate, others phased in over years. You should definitely contact SSA to understand YOUR specific timeline based on your situation. Also, bring your most recent SSA benefit statement AND documentation about your police pension when you contact them. Makes the process much smoother.
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Carmen Lopez
•Thanks for the tips! I'll gather all my paperwork before I try to contact them. I'm really hoping this change happens sooner rather than later. That extra money would make such a difference for me.
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GalacticGuru
The most important thing to understand is the difference between WEP and GPO - they're often confused. WEP reduces your OWN Social Security benefits if you receive a pension from non-covered work. GPO reduces spousal/survivor benefits if you receive a government pension. In your case, it's the GPO that matters since you're receiving survivor benefits. The current rule reduces your survivor benefit by 2/3 of your government pension amount. With a $3,250 police pension, that's why your survivor benefit is lower than it would otherwise be. The new legislation aims to eliminate or reduce these penalties, but implementation details vary. Some provisions take effect immediately, others are phased in over years. You can check if GPO is affecting you by looking at your Social Security statement - it should specifically mention the reduction. Or create/log into your my Social Security account online at ssa.gov to see your detailed benefit information.
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Mei Lin
•My mom had same issue with WEP and SSA but she got less because of her teacher pension. These rules are so complicated!
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GalacticGuru
•That's actually the GPO (Government Pension Offset) affecting your mom if she's receiving survivor benefits along with her teacher pension. WEP would only affect her own Social Security if she earned it from other jobs. The terminology gets confusing, which is why it's so important to speak directly with SSA about your specific situation.
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Carmen Lopez
Update: I finally found my benefit statements! There is indeed something called a 'GPO reduction' listed. It looks like they're taking off $2,167 each month like someone here calculated. I had no idea! So the new law might actually give me that money back? That would be life-changing!
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Zoe Papanikolaou
•That's excellent that you found confirmation! Yes, if the GPO is completely eliminated, you could potentially receive the full survivor benefit without the reduction. However, many of these legislative changes are implemented gradually, so the increase might be phased in over time rather than all at once. Keep in mind that any change to your benefit would be automatic - you wouldn't need to reapply. But staying informed about the implementation timeline is important so you know what to expect and when.
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Andre Dupont
does anyone know when the changes actually start??? i heard some people saying next month but others said it could be YEARS before we see a penny!!!!!
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AstroAdventurer
•Implementation schedules vary by provision and are specifically outlined in the legislation. Some aspects may take effect within months, while others could be phased in over several years. This is typical for major Social Security changes to minimize budget impacts. The SSA will need time to update their systems and processes to accommodate these changes. Your best bet is to periodically check the official SSA website for updates specific to GPO/WEP changes, as they'll post implementation timelines once they're finalized.
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Jamal Wilson
I think I'm affected by this too but I'm getting widows benefits and my deceased husband's fire pension. But I've always gotten both full amounts? Now I'm confused if I should be worried about reductions or happy about increases lol
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GalacticGuru
•If you're receiving both your husband's fire pension AND full Social Security survivor benefits without reduction, it's possible your situation is different. Some pensions are from jobs that were covered by both their pension system AND Social Security (meaning Social Security taxes were paid), which wouldn't trigger GPO. Or there could be other exceptions applying in your case. I'd recommend verifying with SSA that you're not subject to GPO rather than assuming the new law will change anything for you.
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