Can I claim Social Security survivor benefits at FRA while delaying my own retirement benefits until 70?
I recently turned 67 (my full retirement age) but I'm planning to continue working until December 2025. My husband passed away in 2016 at age 58 before claiming any Social Security benefits. He worked consistently and had a good earnings record. I'm trying to figure out if I'm eligible for survivor benefits NOW, even though I'm still working? And if I do take survivor benefits, can I still switch to my own retirement benefits at 70 when they'll be higher with the delayed retirement credits? I've heard about this "restricted application" strategy but I'm confused about whether it applies to survivor benefits or just spousal benefits. Also not sure if my earnings from work would reduce any survivor benefits I might get. Really appreciate any guidance on maximizing my benefits in this situation!
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Destiny Bryant
Yes, you're absolutely eligible for survivor benefits even while working, and this is actually a smart strategy! Since you're at FRA, there's no earnings test on survivor benefits anymore - you can earn any amount without reduction. And yes, you can definitely collect survivor benefits now and then switch to your own retirement benefits at 70 when they'll be 32% higher than at your FRA. This isn't actually a "restricted application" (that's for spousal benefits) - with survivor benefits, you always have the option to switch between your own and survivor benefits at any time after your FRA to maximize your total benefits over your lifetime. Call SSA right away to apply - this strategy could potentially give you tens of thousands in additional benefits while you're waiting to claim your own maximized benefit at 70.
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Hattie Carson
•Thank you so much! That's exactly what I was hoping to hear. Do you know if I need to bring anything specific when I apply for survivor benefits? I still have my husband's death certificate and our marriage certificate. It's just been so many years since he passed that I wasn't sure if I'd still qualify or if there was some time limit to apply.
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Dyllan Nantx
I just went through this exact situation last year!! Take the survivors now, 100%. I was so confused too but the SSA rep explained that at FRA there's no penalty for working while on survivor benefits. I'm getting about $2,300/month from my late husband's record while still working full-time, and I'll switch to my own benefit when I turn 70 next year. Best financial decision I've made! Make sure to bring death certificate, marriage certificate, and your ID when you apply.
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Hattie Carson
•That's so helpful to hear from someone who's done this! $2,300 is significant - I hadn't even calculated what the amount might be. Did you apply online or in person? I've been dreading trying to get through on the phone.
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TillyCombatwarrior
This strategy is knowns as "survivor maximization" and its perfect for your situation. Heres whats happening: At FRA you can get 100% of what your deceased husband would get if he was alive at his FRA. Then at 70, you switch to your own benefit which will have grown by 8% per year from your FRA to 70 (32% total increase!). But heres the critical thing - APPLY ASAP because they only pay 6 months retroactive benefits for survivors! So if you wait you could be leaving money on the table. And yes you can work unlimited with no reductions since your at FRA already.
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Anna Xian
•Wait is the 6-month retroactive thing true for everyone?? I thought survivor benefits could go back 12 months! Now I'm worried because my mom is in this exact situation but has been putting off applying...
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Jungleboo Soletrain
If you're having trouble getting through to SSA on the phone (and who isn't these days), I'd recommend trying Claimyr. It's a service that connects you directly to an SSA agent without the usual wait times. I was skeptical at first but it saved me hours of frustration when applying for survivor benefits last year. Just go to claimyr.com and they'll call you when they have an agent on the line. They even have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Definitely worth it for something this important where missing out on filing could cost you thousands in benefits.
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Dyllan Nantx
•I wish I'd known about this service last year! I spent THREE DAYS trying to get through on the phone. Kept getting disconnected after waiting 2+ hours each time. Finally had to take time off work to go to the local office in person.
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Hattie Carson
•Thanks for the tip! I'll check it out. I've been avoiding calling because every time I've called SSA in the past, it's been a nightmare of hold times and disconnections.
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Rajan Walker
BE CAREFUL ABOUT WORKING WHILE COLLECTING!!! My brother-in-law got in BIG TROUBLE with SSA for this!!! They made him pay back like $20,000 in benefits because he was working and didn't tell them!!!!
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Destiny Bryant
•That would only happen before Full Retirement Age. The original poster mentioned they're already at FRA, so the earnings test doesn't apply anymore. Your brother-in-law was likely under FRA when he was working and collecting, which is a completely different situation with different rules.
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Rajan Walker
•Oh I didn't realize that! No wonder they were so confused when I kept warning them about this at the SSA office when I went with my mom. Sorry for the misinformation!
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Nadia Zaldivar
i was widowed 8 years ago and did the same thing. took survivors at 66 (my FRA) and now im 69 and gonna switch to my own next year. definitely worth it. but let me tell you getting through to ssa is IMPOSSIBLE lately. i had to get the survivors application forms online, fill them out, and then physically go to the office and wait for 3 hours. their phone system is completely broken.
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Hattie Carson
•That's what I'm afraid of - the hassle of actually applying. The office near me is always packed, and the phone system is a joke. Did they require anything besides the death certificate and marriage certificate?
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Nadia Zaldivar
•bring your birth certificate too and your husbands ssn. also any income info for him from the year he died if you have it but they probably can find that in their system now
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Anna Xian
Is anyone else confused by all these Social Security rules?? I think they make it complicated on purpose! So if I understand correctly, survivor benefits and retirement benefits are completely separate things?? And you can take one now and one later?? My head hurts just thinking about all this...
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Destiny Bryant
•Yes, they are separate benefits. Think of it this way: You have access to two different benefit streams - one based on your own work record (retirement) and one based on your deceased spouse's work record (survivors). The great thing is that after FRA, you can choose which one to take when, allowing you to maximize your lifetime benefits by taking the smaller one first and letting the larger one grow.
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TillyCombatwarrior
CORRECTION to my earlier comment: I double-checked the SSA rules and survivor benefits can actually have 12 months of retroactivity, not 6 months (that's for retirement benefits). So you could potentially get up to 12 months of back payments if you've already been at your FRA for a while. Sorry for any confusion!
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Hattie Carson
•Thank you for checking! I just reached FRA two months ago, so I guess it's not a huge difference for me, but still good to know.
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Dyllan Nantx
One more thing that confused me during my application - they ask if you want to apply for ALL benefits you're eligible for. Say NO to this question! If you say yes, they'll automatically give you whichever is higher right now (probably your own), which defeats the whole purpose of the strategy of taking survivors now and your own later.
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Hattie Carson
•That's SUPER helpful - I would have definitely fallen into that trap. Thank you for the heads up!
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