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When to take Section 1341 deduction for repaying savings bond interest - claim of right issue

I've got a weird situation with some savings bonds that I need help figuring out. Back in 2022, I cashed a savings bond and got a 1099 for the interest. Then in 2023, a replacement bond (for the same one!) was mistakenly issued and I cashed that too, getting another 1099 for the interest. Now the Treasury is saying I need to pay back the money from that second bond since it shouldn't have been issued. I've been researching and it looks like a Section 1341 claim of right deduction would apply since I already paid taxes on that interest income that I now have to return. The interest I'm paying back to the Treasury is around $4,100. My question is about timing - do I take this deduction on my 2024 taxes that I'm working on right now, or do I have to wait until 2025 taxes (since I'm physically making the repayment in 2025)? I think I could also amend my 2023 return to remove that interest income, but honestly I'd rather just take the deduction if possible. Also wondering if there's a time limit for recapturing the taxes I paid on that second bond interest? I don't want to miss any deadlines for fixing this.

The Section 1341 "claim of right" provision is exactly what you need here. Since you included the bond interest in your gross income in 2023 and paid tax on it, but now have to repay it, you have two options: Option 1: Take a deduction on the year you make the repayment. Since you're repaying in 2025, you'd claim the deduction on your 2025 return (filed in 2026). Option 2: Take a credit for the amount of tax you paid in 2023 due to including that interest. This is often more beneficial if you were in a higher tax bracket in 2023 than you will be in 2025. The third option you mentioned - amending your 2023 return - isn't typically available for Section 1341 situations. The IRS treats this as either a deduction or credit in the year of repayment. There is a time limit - you generally have 3 years from the due date of the return to claim a refund, so for your 2023 taxes, you'd need to address this by April 2027.

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Thank you for the clear explanation! If I understand correctly, I can't deduct this on my 2024 return even though I'm filing it now in 2025 - I have to wait until my 2025 return because that's when I'm actually making the repayment. Is that right? Also, how do I figure out which is better - the deduction in 2025 or the credit for 2023 taxes paid? My income is fairly consistent year to year if that helps.

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That's exactly right. Since the repayment is happening in 2025, you'd need to wait and claim it on your 2025 tax return that you'll file in 2026. You can't claim it on your 2024 return that you're working on now. To determine whether the deduction or credit is better, you'll need to calculate both and compare. If your income is consistent year to year, the difference might be minimal, but it's worth checking. When you prepare your 2025 taxes, tax software should calculate both options for you and select the more beneficial one. Alternatively, you can work with a tax professional who can run the numbers and advise on the optimal approach.

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Interesting! Does it actually help with the forms too? I'm using TurboTax but it seems completely lost when I try to enter anything about Section 1341 or claim of right. It's like the software doesn't understand what I'm trying to do.

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. How does it handle complex cases? For instance, my situation involves partial bond repayments spread across different tax years and I'm wondering if Section 1341 applies to each payment separately or to the total amount.

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Just to clarify something that might help - I went through this exact situation with Treasury bonds last year. If your repayment is in 2025, then yes, you must wait to claim it on your 2025 return. But there's an important threshold to know: If your repayment is $3,000 or less, you can only take the deduction. If it's more than $3,000 (which yours is at $4,100), then you get to choose between the deduction or the credit, whichever benefits you more. Most tax software doesn't handle this very well, so you might need to calculate both options manually or get professional help.

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Thanks for pointing out that threshold! I didn't realize there was a $3,000 cutoff that determines your options. Since my repayment is over that amount, I'll definitely look at both the deduction and credit to see which saves me more. Do you happen to know where on the tax forms this gets reported? Is it something straightforward like an itemized deduction or is it more complicated?

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For the deduction method, if you itemize, it goes on Schedule A as a miscellaneous itemized deduction not subject to the 2% floor. If you take the standard deduction, it's an adjustment to income on Schedule 1. For the credit method (only available since your repayment exceeds $3,000), it's more complex. You essentially calculate your tax twice - once with the income included and once without it - and the difference becomes your credit. This goes on Schedule 3 as "other payments or refundable credits" with "IRC 1341" written next to it. Most people find that the credit method saves more in taxes, but it depends on your specific situation. If you were in a higher tax bracket when you received the income than when you repaid it, the credit almost always works out better.

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Anyone know if you can e-file when claiming a Section 1341 credit? Last year I had a similar situation and TurboTax kept giving me an error when I tried to e-file with the claim of right credit.

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You can e-file with a Section 1341 claim, but some software doesn't support it properly. I used H&R Block Premium last year for a claim of right situation and was able to e-file successfully. There's a specific place to enter it as "other credits" and you need to write "IRC 1341" in the description field.

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I went through something very similar with duplicate EE bonds last year! One thing to watch out for - make sure you have all the documentation from Treasury showing the erroneous issuance before you file. The IRS may want to see proof that the second bond was issued in error and that you're required to repay the interest. Also, since you're dealing with $4,100, you'll definitely want to calculate both the deduction and credit methods when you file your 2025 return. In my case, the credit ended up saving me about $200 more than the deduction would have, but it depends on your tax brackets in both years. Keep all your correspondence with Treasury - you'll need it to support your Section 1341 claim. The IRS is pretty strict about having proper documentation for claim of right situations.

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This is really helpful advice about keeping documentation! I'm curious - when you calculated both methods, did you do it manually or did you find tax software that could handle it? I'm already dreading trying to figure out the credit calculation since it sounds pretty complex with having to calculate your tax twice. Also, did Treasury send you any specific forms or letters acknowledging the error, or was it just regular correspondence? I want to make sure I'm keeping the right paperwork for when I file next year.

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