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Destiny Bryant

When is the best time to do a cost segregation study for rental properties?

I've been investing in rental properties for a few years now, and I'm just learning about cost segregation studies. Honestly feeling like I've been leaving money on the table all this time! From what I understand, it can accelerate depreciation and potentially save thousands in taxes right now instead of waiting years. I currently own 3 rental properties and just closed on a $650K duplex last month that I'm house hacking. Now I'm trying to figure out: * If I never did cost segregation when I first purchased my properties (some I've owned for 2-3 years), is it too late to do it now? * I'm planning to renovate the kitchen and bathrooms in one property next spring - should I do the cost segregation before or after these renovations? * For smaller rental properties in the $300-600K range, what should I expect to pay for a decent cost segregation study? Has anyone here actually gone through this process? Was the tax savings worth the upfront cost? Also would appreciate recommendations for reliable companies that won't charge an arm and a leg. Thanks!

Dyllan Nantx

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You're definitely not too late! Cost segregation studies can be done on properties you've owned for years through what's called "catch-up depreciation" or technically a 481(a) adjustment. This allows you to claim all the depreciation you could have taken in previous years on your current year tax return. For your renovation question, I'd recommend doing the study after completing the renovations. That way, the new components get included in the analysis and you can accelerate depreciation on those improvements too. Cost-wise, for properties in that range, expect anywhere from $3,000-$7,000 per property, depending on the complexity. However, the tax savings often significantly outweigh this cost, especially if you're in a higher tax bracket or have substantial income from the properties. One thing to consider: make sure you plan to hold the properties for several years. If you sell too soon, you'll face depreciation recapture taxes which could offset some of the benefits.

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Thanks for the detailed response! That's a relief about being able to do it retroactively. Quick follow-up: If I do this "catch-up depreciation," does that mean I'd get a giant deduction on this year's taxes for all those previous years combined? And roughly how much savings might I see on a $400K property?

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Dyllan Nantx

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Yes, you'd get that giant deduction all in the current tax year, which is what makes it so powerful. Instead of waiting 27.5 years (the standard depreciation period for residential rentals), you might be able to depreciate 25-30% of the improvement value in year one. For a $400K property, assuming land value is about 20% ($80K), you're looking at depreciating approximately $320K in building value. A cost segregation study might identify 25-35% of that value as 5-year or 15-year property instead of 27.5-year. This could potentially create an additional $60K-$80K in deductions in year one. If your marginal tax rate is 32%, that's roughly $19K-$25K in actual tax savings. Just remember that your specific savings will depend on your tax situation, property specifics, and income level.

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I tried doing my own research on cost segregation for my fourplex but got overwhelmed with the technical details. Then I found https://taxr.ai which analyzes rental property documents and creates a report showing exactly how much you could save with cost segregation. Saved me so much headache! They broke down my $520K property and showed I could accelerate about $95K in depreciation in the first year. That translated to over $30K in tax savings! Their system even factored in my previous renovations which apparently made a huge difference.

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Anna Xian

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Was the report enough to file your taxes or did you need to hire a specialist after getting those numbers? I'm trying to figure out if this is just the analysis part or if they help with implementation too.

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How do they handle properties in different states? I've got rentals in both Illinois and Arizona and I'm wondering if state-specific building codes might affect the segregation calculations.

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The report provided all the documentation I needed to give to my CPA, who handled the implementation on my tax return. They categorize everything according to IRS guidelines, so it was enough for my tax filing. My accountant was actually impressed with how thorough it was - saved him a ton of work. For properties in different states, they account for regional construction costs and state-specific considerations as part of their analysis. Their system apparently incorporates local building codes and regional cost differences into their calculations. I only have properties in one state, but they mentioned they handle multi-state portfolios regularly.

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Anna Xian

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Wanted to update after using taxr.ai for my properties! I was hesitant after reading about them, but decided to give it a shot with my duplex. Their system analyzed all my purchase documents and even the renovation receipts I uploaded. The results were eye-opening! They identified nearly $65K in accelerated depreciation that I could take this year instead of spreading over 27.5 years. My tax advisor confirmed it all checked out and we filed with their report. Just got my refund - $22K larger than it would have been without the cost segregation! Definitely doing this for my other properties now.

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Rajan Walker

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If you're doing cost segregation, you might also need to deal with the IRS about amended returns, especially if you're doing catch-up depreciation on older properties. I tried calling the IRS for weeks with questions about this and could never get through. Then I found https://claimyr.com and their agent connection service. You can see how it works in this demo: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. They got me connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes when I'd been trying unsuccessfully for weeks. The agent walked me through exactly how to handle the amended returns for my cost segregation adjustments, which probably saved me from an audit flag.

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How does this actually work? Is it just some kind of premium phone line or what? I've been on hold with the IRS for hours about my cost segregation questions too.

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Sorry but this sounds like BS. No way someone can magically get through the IRS phone system when millions of people can't. They probably just keep calling themselves and then sell you the spot if they happen to get through.

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Rajan Walker

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It's not a premium line - they use technology that continuously calls the IRS and navigates the phone tree for you. When they get a live agent, they immediately connect you to that call. You just get a call when they've reached an agent, so you don't have to sit on hold yourself. Regarding the skepticism, I felt the same way initially. But they only charge if they actually connect you with an agent. If they don't get you through, you don't pay anything. I was desperate after trying for weeks myself, so I figured I had nothing to lose. I was surprised when they actually got me through in about 22 minutes when I'd wasted countless hours trying on my own.

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I need to eat my words about Claimyr. After posting that skeptical comment, I decided to try it since I was still stuck with questions about how to handle cost segregation on my tax return. They actually got me through to the IRS in 17 minutes! The agent was super helpful explaining how to properly document everything for my cost segregation study on my rental triplex. Turns out I was about to make a pretty big mistake in how I was planning to report the catch-up depreciation. This probably saved me from an audit and definitely saved me thousands in potential penalties. Consider me converted.

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Ev Luca

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Don't forget about the "partial disposition" strategy when doing cost segregation, especially if you're renovating! If you're replacing components that were previously depreciated (like old windows, roofing, HVAC), you can write off the remaining basis of those old components. This works really well WITH cost segregation. For example, if your cost seg identified $20K in 5-year property for kitchen appliances, and you're now replacing those, you can claim a loss for the remaining undepreciated value while also getting accelerated depreciation on the new items.

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I haven't heard about this partial disposition thing before. Does this mean if I'm renovating bathrooms that were included in a previous cost segregation study, I could actually get an additional write-off for the old components I'm removing? How do you document what the old stuff was worth?

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Ev Luca

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Exactly! If you renovate components previously identified in a cost segregation study, you can write off their remaining undepreciated value. This is particularly powerful for items that still have substantial basis left. For documentation, you'll need to establish the value of the disposed components. If you have the original cost segregation study, it should break down values by component. If not, you may need a qualified appraiser to do a "backwards" analysis to determine values. Take photos before demolition and keep all records of the renovation. Your tax professional can help with Form 3115 to claim these partial dispositions if you haven't been using this strategy previously.

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Avery Davis

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Anyone know if it makes sense to do cost segregation on smaller properties? I've got a single family rental worth about $250k. Most companies seem to focus on much larger properties or commercial stuff.

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Collins Angel

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I did it on my $280k duplex last year. Company charged $3,500 for the study but it generated about $12k in tax savings the first year. Definitely worth it in my case, but it really depends on your tax bracket and how much income you're offsetting. If you're not in at least the 24% bracket, the numbers might not work as well.

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Mei Wong

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Great thread! I'm going through this process right now with my first rental property. One thing I learned that might help others - make sure to factor in your state taxes too when calculating potential savings. I'm in California with high state income taxes, so my effective tax rate on the accelerated depreciation is actually higher than just the federal rate, which made the numbers work even better. Also, if you're planning to do multiple properties, some companies offer package deals that can bring the per-property cost down significantly. I'm getting quotes for doing 4 properties at once and the cost per study drops from about $5K each to around $3K each when bundled. One question for those who've done this - do you typically do the cost segregation in the same year you purchase the property, or wait until the following tax year? I closed in December and wondering if there's any advantage to timing it one way or the other.

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Mila Walker

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Great point about state taxes! For timing, there's actually no difference whether you do it in the purchase year or later - you can still claim all the accelerated depreciation in whatever year you complete the study through that catch-up provision mentioned earlier. I did mine two years after purchase and got the full benefit. However, if you closed in December, you might want to consider whether doing it this tax year makes sense based on your current income situation. If you have a high-income year, the deductions are more valuable. But if you expect higher income next year, you could wait. The flexibility is one of the nice things about cost segregation - you're not locked into doing it immediately after purchase. Those package deals sound great! I wish I'd known about bundling when I did my properties separately. Definitely something for others to keep in mind if they have multiple properties.

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