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What's a Backdoor Roth IRA and is it still allowed for 2024 tax filing?

Hey everyone, I'm trying to figure out if a Backdoor Roth IRA is still a viable strategy for my tax situation. I make about $168,000 annually as a software developer, which puts me above the income limits for direct Roth IRA contributions. I've heard about this backdoor method where you contribute to a traditional IRA first and then convert it to a Roth, but I'm confused about whether this is still allowed after all the tax law changes. Does anyone have experience with this for the 2024 tax year (filing in 2025)? I don't have any existing traditional IRA balances if that matters. Also wondering about the tax implications and if there's any specific forms I need to fill out when doing my taxes next year. Thanks in advance!

Yes, the Backdoor Roth IRA is still allowed for 2024 (filing in 2025). The strategy works exactly as you described - you make a non-deductible contribution to a Traditional IRA and then convert it to a Roth IRA. Since your income is above the Roth contribution limits, this is a perfectly legal workaround. The fact that you don't have existing Traditional IRA balances is actually perfect - this makes your conversion much cleaner from a tax perspective (no pro-rata rule complications). For tax reporting, you'll need to file Form 8606 to report the non-deductible contribution to your Traditional IRA, and then you'll report the conversion to the Roth IRA. Your 1099-R from the custodian will show the conversion amount.

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Thanks for your quick response! Do I need to wait any specific amount of time between the Traditional IRA contribution and the Roth conversion? Also, should I be concerned about the "step transaction doctrine" I've seen mentioned in some articles?

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There's no required waiting period between making the Traditional IRA contribution and converting to a Roth. Some people do it on the same day, others wait a few days or weeks. Regarding the step transaction doctrine, this has been a theoretical concern, but the IRS has had many years to challenge backdoor Roth conversions and hasn't done so. Congress is well aware of this strategy, and despite various tax reforms, they've kept it intact. Just make sure you properly document everything and file Form 8606 correctly.

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Does this work for other retirement account rollovers too? I've got an old 401k from a previous employer that I'm thinking about converting to a Roth IRA, but I'm confused about the tax implications.

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One thing to watch out for with Backdoor Roth IRAs - make sure you don't have any other traditional IRA accounts with pre-tax money in them. If you do, you'll get hit with the pro-rata rule which basically means you can't just convert the non-deductible contribution tax-free. Let's say you have $50,000 in a pre-existing traditional IRA with pre-tax money, and you add $6,000 as a non-deductible contribution. When you convert $6,000 to a Roth, the IRS will consider it as converting a proportional amount of your total traditional IRA balance ($56,000). So only about 10.7% of your conversion would be tax-free.

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What if I have a SEP IRA from self-employment work? Does that count in the pro-rata calculation too?

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Yes, SEP IRAs absolutely count toward the pro-rata calculation. The IRS considers all your traditional IRAs together when applying the pro-rata rule - this includes Traditional IRAs, SEP IRAs, and SIMPLE IRAs. One potential workaround, if your current employer's 401(k) plan allows it, is to roll your SEP IRA into your 401(k) before doing the backdoor Roth. 401(k) balances don't count for the pro-rata calculation, so this could clean up your IRA balances and allow for a tax-free backdoor Roth conversion.

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I'm confused about the timing. Can I still make a backdoor Roth contribution for 2024 right now in August 2024, or do I have to wait until Jan 2025 to do it?

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You can definitely make a 2024 IRA contribution right now! You have until the tax filing deadline (usually April 15, 2025) to make contributions for the 2024 tax year. So you could do your backdoor Roth process anytime between January 1, 2024 and April 15, 2025.

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Great question! Yes, backdoor Roth IRAs are definitely still allowed for 2024. At your income level of $168k, you're correct that you're above the direct Roth IRA contribution limits ($153k-$168k phaseout range for 2024), so the backdoor method is your best option. Since you mentioned you don't have existing traditional IRA balances, you're in a perfect position - no pro-rata rule complications to worry about! The process is straightforward: contribute $7,000 (2024 limit) to a non-deductible traditional IRA, then convert it to a Roth IRA shortly after. For tax reporting, you'll need Form 8606 to report the non-deductible contribution and the conversion. The conversion itself isn't taxable since you're converting after-tax dollars. Just make sure to keep good records of the contribution date and conversion date. One tip: consider doing this early in the year so any small gains between contribution and conversion are minimal. The strategy has been around for years and Congress hasn't moved to eliminate it despite various tax reform discussions.

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