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Roger Romero

What is the income threshold where you don't have to file taxes for a small business?

I started a tiny side business last year making custom wooden coasters. Super small scale, just selling to friends and at a local market occasionally. I'm wondering about the tax filing requirements - is there a minimum amount I need to earn before I have to file taxes? I think I heard somewhere that if you make under $5,000 you don't need to file, but I'm not sure if that's accurate. I set up as a sole proprietor LLC a few months ago, if that matters. I've only made about $3,700 so far this year, and honestly I'm not even sure I'll hit $5k by December. Do I still need to file? This is my first business venture and I'm trying to keep everything legit but also not deal with unnecessary paperwork if I don't have to.

Anna Kerber

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Actually, this is a common misconception. For self-employment income (which is what you have as a sole proprietor LLC), you're required to file a tax return if your net earnings from self-employment were $400 or more. This is much lower than the standard filing threshold for W-2 income, which might be where the confusion comes from. Even with just $3,700 in revenue, you'll need to file a Schedule C to report your business income and expenses, and you'll likely need to pay self-employment tax (which covers Social Security and Medicare). The good news is that you can deduct your business expenses from your revenue to determine your net profit, which is what actually gets taxed. I'd recommend keeping detailed records of all your business expenses (materials, market fees, etc.) to reduce your taxable income.

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Niko Ramsey

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Wait really? So there's no minimum threshold at all? What if I only made like $50 from selling something random online once?

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Anna Kerber

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The threshold is $400 in net profit from self-employment. So if you only made $50 selling something random online once, and that wasn't part of a regular business activity, you technically wouldn't need to file based solely on that income. But remember, net profit means income minus expenses. So if you had $1,000 in sales but $700 in legitimate business expenses, your net profit would be $300, and you wouldn't hit the $400 threshold.

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Jabari-Jo

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Micah Trail

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Nia Watson

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Micah Trail

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I'm a craft fair vendor and went through this last year. Even if you're below the filing threshold, you might still want to file anyway because: 1) You can establish a history of business losses if you're not profitable yet (useful if you get audited in future years) 2) You might qualify for tax credits that can only be claimed if you file 3) If you ever want a loan or mortgage, lenders want to see tax returns with your business income Also don't forget about sales tax requirements in your state - those are completely separate from income taxes and usually don't have minimum thresholds!

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Marcus Marsh

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Do you need to keep receipts for absolutely everything? I'm terrible at organizing that stuff and end up with a shoebox full of random papers every year.

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Yes, you should keep receipts for everything business-related. The IRS recommends keeping records for at least 3 years after you file. I used to do the shoebox method too but now I just use a simple app that lets me take pictures of receipts. Also started using a separate credit card just for business purchases which makes it way easier at tax time. Digital receipts can be saved in a dedicated email folder - as long as they show the date, amount, and what was purchased, they count as valid documentation.

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can someone explain this LLC thing? i thought if you have an LLC you don't pay taxes? my cousin said he has an "s-corp" and doesn't pay self employment tax.

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Anna Kerber

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There's a lot of confusion about this. An LLC is just a legal structure, not a tax classification. By default, a single-member LLC is treated as a "disregarded entity" for tax purposes, meaning you still report business income on your personal tax return and pay self-employment tax. Your cousin with an S-corp is doing something different. An S-corporation allows you to be both an owner AND an employee. You pay yourself a reasonable salary (which has payroll taxes) and can take additional money as distributions (which avoid self-employment tax). But S-corps require more formalities like payroll processing, separate tax returns, etc. Usually not worth it until you're making at least $40-50k in profit.

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ohh that makes sense. everyone acts like LLCs are some magic tax saving thing but sounds like they're really just for legal protection? thanks for explaining!

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