Understanding Capital Losses vs Ordinary Losses - What Can Offset What?

I can help clear this up! The tax code treats different types of income and losses separately, so understanding which buckets they fall into is key. For your LLC/sole proprietorship: Those ordinary business losses CAN offset all types of income, including your W2 income AND capital gains. There's no specific order required - the business loss will reduce your overall taxable income regardless of the source. Regarding capital losses: You're correct that capital losses are more restricted. They first offset capital gains, and then can offset up to $3,000 of ordinary income per year, with any excess carried forward. For carrying losses forward: If your business has a net operating loss (NOL), current rules generally require you to carry it forward to future tax years. However, these carried-forward NOLs from your sole proprietorship typically cannot offset income from a different entity like an S-corporation you might form later. The distinction is really about which "bucket" the loss falls into - ordinary business losses have more flexibility in what they can offset than capital losses do.

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I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here. Was honestly blown away. I had a situation with capital losses from crypto, income from my Etsy shop, and rental property depreciation - total mess trying to figure out what could offset what. The system broke down exactly how my business losses could offset my capital gains (they can!), but not the other way around (limited to $3k). It even created a visual "waterfall" showing which bucket of income each loss would apply to first. Showed me I'd been doing my taxes wrong for YEARS by not properly utilizing my rental losses against my other income. The documentation it provided made it super easy to fix my approach. Definitely using it again this year.

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I was totally skeptical about Claimyr (see my comment above), but I finally tried it out of desperation when I couldn't get answers about how to handle some business losses on my Schedule C that I wanted to apply against capital gains. I'm shocked to admit it actually worked perfectly. Got a call back in about an hour, and sure enough, there was an actual IRS agent on the line. They confirmed everything the first commenter said - business losses can indeed offset capital gains with no limit, unlike capital losses which are restricted in offsetting ordinary income. The agent even walked me through exactly how to document this on my tax forms to make sure it wouldn't trigger any flags. Definitely changed my view on the service - worth it for complicated tax situations where you need official answers.

Something nobody mentioned yet - if ur business losses are from a PASSIVE activity (like rental property where u don't materially participate) then different rules apply. Those passive losses can only offset passive income, not ur W2 or capital gains unless u meet certain exceptions. I learned this the hard way last year when I tried to offset some stock gains with losses from a rental property I barely managed. My CPA had to explain that since I wasn't actively involved enough in the rental (less than 500 hrs/year), the losses were trapped in the "passive bucket" and couldn't touch my other income. Make sure u know if ur business activities count as passive or active before planning ur tax strategy!!!

Wait i'm confuses...i thought business losses were reported on a schedule C and capital losseson a schedule D? Are they not treated the same on the 1040?

Just wanted to add a practical tip for tracking all this - keep meticulous records of your business activities and time spent if you're claiming active participation. The IRS loves to challenge material participation claims, especially when substantial losses are involved. I learned this lesson when I had a side consulting business that lost money its first year. Even though it was clearly active business income (I was doing all the work myself), I didn't keep great time records. When my return got selected for review, I had to scramble to reconstruct my activity logs from emails, calendar entries, and receipts. Also worth noting - if you're planning to convert your LLC to an S-corp next year, make sure you understand how that affects loss carryforwards. Generally, losses from your sole proprietorship can't be used by the S-corp since they're different tax entities. You'd want to utilize as much of the current year loss as possible before making any entity changes. The interaction between different types of income and losses is definitely one of the more complex areas of tax law, but understanding it can save you thousands!