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Mateo Silva

Should I reduce my withholding Jan 1st and apply overpayment to next year's taxes instead of waiting for a huge refund?

I've been doing some tax planning for 2024 and looks like I'm headed for a massive refund around $40,000. Instead of sitting around waiting for that huge check when I file, I'm thinking about adjusting my W-4 to lower my withholding for paychecks starting January 1st. Then when I file my 2024 return, I'd apply whatever overpayment is left as a credit toward 2025's taxes. My main concern is avoiding all those horror stories about refund delays. I've read about people waiting forever because of identity verification issues or random IRS holds - some folks waiting like 14-16 months for their money! Since this is a lot of cash for my family, I really don't want to get stuck in refund limbo. I know there's that underpayment penalty thing to worry about if you don't pay enough estimated taxes on time throughout the year. But if I apply my overpayment as a credit toward next year, that should cover me for at least the first quarter of 2025, right? What do you guys think about this approach? Smart move to get my money sooner through paychecks rather than waiting on a giant refund? Or am I missing something that makes this risky?

This is actually a really solid strategy that many financial planners recommend. Getting a huge refund means you've basically given the government an interest-free loan all year. By adjusting your withholding, you're essentially getting your money back in each paycheck rather than waiting. The key is making sure you don't reduce your withholding so much that you end up owing a significant amount when you file. You want to aim for getting close to zero - neither owing a lot nor getting a big refund. Regarding applying an overpayment to next year's taxes - yes, this will count toward your first quarter estimated payment for 2025. This is especially helpful if you have any self-employment or investment income that doesn't have automatic withholding.

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Cameron Black

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But wouldn't reducing withholding so dramatically in just the first quarter mean they'll have way less withheld than they should for that period? Could that trigger an underpayment penalty even if they're planning to apply some to next year? Also, how exactly do you calculate how much to reduce withholding to get it right? Is there some calculator the IRS has?

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The IRS safe harbor rule generally requires you to pay at least 90% of your current year tax liability or 100% of your previous year's tax liability (110% if your AGI was over $150,000) to avoid underpayment penalties. Since the original poster is talking about a $40,000 refund, they're well above their required withholding amount, so they have significant room to adjust without triggering underpayment penalties. The IRS does have a Tax Withholding Estimator on their website that's very helpful for calculating the right withholding. You can enter your expected income, deductions, and credits to get a recommendation on how to adjust your W-4. Just make sure you're updating the numbers as your situation changes throughout the year.

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How does this work with variable income? I get commissions that change throughout the year and I never know exactly how much I'll make. Does it handle that kind of situation or is it mainly for people with steady salaries?

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Ruby Garcia

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That sounds too good to be true. The IRS withholding calculator is free and does basically the same thing. Why would anyone pay for something like this when the government offers the same service?

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The tool actually has a specific function for variable income where you can enter different scenarios based on commission ranges. You can set up multiple income projections, and it will show you the optimal withholding for each scenario. I found this super helpful because I could adjust my withholding throughout the year as I got a better sense of my total annual income. The difference from the IRS calculator is that it does much more comprehensive analysis, including identifying tax-saving opportunities you might be missing and providing specific guidance on filling out your W-4 correctly. It also stores your information securely so you can come back and make adjustments without re-entering everything. The IRS tool doesn't save your data between sessions.

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Just wanted to follow up - I tried the taxr.ai tool that was mentioned earlier and it was exactly what I needed! I was skeptical at first since I've tried other tax calculators that were useless with my variable income. The simulator showed me that I could reduce my withholding by about 15% without risking underpayment penalties, which means an extra $320 per paycheck. That's way better than waiting for a lump sum refund next year. It also explained exactly how to fill out my W-4 to get that specific amount of reduction. What really surprised me was discovering some credits I qualified for that I hadn't been claiming. So not only am I getting more in each paycheck, but my overall tax liability is lower too!

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How exactly does this work? I thought it was literally impossible to get through to the IRS during tax season. Do they have some special number or connection?

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This sounds like a scam. Nobody can magically get you through to the IRS faster than anyone else. The phone system is the same for everyone and you just have to keep trying like the rest of us. I'd be very careful about giving any personal info to services claiming they can "skip the line.

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Maya Lewis

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you're going to adjust your withholding dramatically, consider spreading it out across the whole year instead of just making a big change in Q1. The IRS looks at your tax payments quarterly, not just the annual total. So even if you end up with the right amount paid by December 31st, if your payments were very uneven across quarters, you could still potentially face an underpayment penalty for the quarters where you underpaid. The safe harbor provisions others mentioned are your best protection, but I'd recommend a more gradual approach to changing your withholding rather than a dramatic shift all at once.

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Mateo Silva

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Thanks for bringing this up - I hadn't considered the quarterly aspect. If I adjust my W-4 for the entire year instead of just Q1, would that help avoid the issue you're describing? And would applying my 2024 overpayment to 2025 count specifically toward my Q1 estimated payment?

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Maya Lewis

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Yes, adjusting your W-4 for the entire year would be much better from a quarterly perspective. The IRS generally considers withholding to be paid evenly throughout the year, even if your actual withholding varies between paychecks. This is different from estimated tax payments, which are definitely tied to specific quarters. When you apply an overpayment from your 2024 return to 2025, it's automatically applied to the first quarter estimated payment for 2025. So yes, that would cover your Q1 obligation. Just keep in mind that your 2024 return and any overpayment application might not be processed until after the Q1 deadline (April 15, 2025), so you'd want to make sure you're covered in case of processing delays.

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Isaac Wright

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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the time value of money here! Getting $40k at the end of the year versus getting it spread out in your paychecks throughout the year is a significant difference. If you reduced your withholding and invested that extra money each month (even in a high-yield savings account paying 4-5%), you'd earn hundreds of dollars in interest that you're currently giving up by waiting for a refund. Plus, having that cash flow throughout the year gives you flexibility to handle unexpected expenses without resorting to credit cards or loans. It's YOUR money - why let the government hold it interest-free?

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Lucy Taylor

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This is the most important point! Opportunity cost is real. Even at just 4% in a high yield savings account, that's $1,600 in interest you're missing out on over a year. And that's without even considering investing it in the market for potentially higher returns. Also, with inflation being what it is, your refund next year will literally be worth less than getting the money in your paycheck today.

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