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Ava Johnson

Should I establish an LLC for my oil well royalty override from my employer?

I'm starting a new position with a small oil and gas company in about two weeks. One of the perks in my compensation package includes a royalty override on wells we drill. During a conversation with someone, they suggested I should consider setting up an LLC to receive these royalty payments, but they didn't explain the reasoning behind it. I'm curious if anyone has experience with this situation. What would be the advantages of creating an LLC for receiving these royalty overrides instead of just accepting them personally? Are there tax benefits or liability protections that would make this worthwhile? Any insights would be greatly appreciated since this is all new territory for me!

Miguel Diaz

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Setting up an LLC for your royalty override could definitely be beneficial, but it depends on several factors. The main advantages would be liability protection and potential tax benefits. From a liability perspective, an LLC creates a separation between your personal assets and business activities. If something were to go wrong with the wells or if there were legal issues related to the royalties, your personal assets would generally be protected. Tax-wise, an LLC can give you more flexibility. By default, single-member LLCs are treated as "disregarded entities" for tax purposes (meaning profits pass through to your personal taxes), but you could also elect to be taxed as an S-Corp which might reduce self-employment taxes on a portion of the income. Additionally, with an LLC, you can more easily deduct legitimate business expenses related to your royalty interests, potentially reducing your overall tax burden.

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Zainab Ahmed

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Thanks for the explanation! Quick question - if I go the LLC route, would I need to worry about the "hobby loss" rules? I've heard the IRS gets picky when businesses consistently show losses, and I'm not sure how steady these royalty payments will be.

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Miguel Diaz

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The hobby loss rules are less likely to be an issue with royalty income since you're not actively managing day-to-day operations. The IRS generally views royalty income as passive income rather than an active business or hobby. As for consistency, oil and gas royalties do fluctuate with production and market prices, but that's expected in the industry and wouldn't raise red flags. What matters is that you treat the LLC as a legitimate business - keep separate accounts, maintain proper records, and follow corporate formalities if you want the liability protection to hold up.

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Connor Byrne

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Yara Abboud

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Did they actually review your specific royalty agreement or just give generic advice? I'm wondering if they'd understand the difference between working interest overrides vs royalty interests since they're treated differently tax-wise.

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PixelPioneer

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I'm skeptical about these online services... how long did the whole process take? And did they explain the ongoing costs of maintaining an LLC in your state? That's something my accountant warned me about - the annual fees and extra tax filing requirements sometimes outweigh the benefits for smaller royalty amounts.

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Connor Byrne

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They absolutely reviewed my specific agreement - I uploaded the actual contract and they analyzed the exact language around my override interests. They definitely understood the distinction between working interests and royalty interests and explained how they're treated differently for tax purposes. The whole process took less than 48 hours from submission to getting my detailed analysis. And yes, they broke down the ongoing LLC maintenance costs for my state (Texas) and calculated the threshold where the benefits would outweigh those costs. They even factored in the estimated administrative time I'd spend on compliance each year, which no one else had mentioned to me.

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PixelPioneer

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Paolo Rizzo

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Wait, how does this actually work? Do they somehow jump you ahead in the IRS phone queue? I've literally waited on hold for 3+ hours before giving up.

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Amina Sy

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This sounds like a scam. There's no way to "cut the line" with the IRS. They probably just call and wait on hold themselves, then charge you a fortune for the privilege. Has anyone verified this is legitimate?

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They use an automated system that continually calls the IRS until it gets through to a representative. Once connected, you receive a call back to join the conversation with the IRS agent. It's not about "cutting in line" - it's about having technology do the frustrating wait time for you. They don't access any of your personal information - you're the one who talks directly with the IRS agent. I confirmed everything directly with the IRS agent once I was connected. The whole point is getting you directly connected to ask your questions, like the specific Schedule E vs Schedule C filing requirements for different types of oil and gas interests.

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Amina Sy

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - check if your employer's royalty override program has any restrictions on transferring the interest to an entity. Some companies require the override to stay in the employee's name while employed there, then allow transfer upon separation. Also, talk to a local attorney who specializes in oil and gas law. Each state has different rules, and you'll want someone familiar with your specific jurisdiction. In Texas, for example, the paperwork is different than in Oklahoma or North Dakota. I ended up using different structures for properties in different states.

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Good point about the employer restrictions. My company initially rejected my request to assign my override to my LLC, citing some clause in the original agreement. Had to get it amended. Cost me some legal fees that ate into the first year's benefits.

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That's an important consideration many people overlook. Employment agreements can contain very specific language about how these interests are assigned and whether they can be transferred. Another thing to consider is timing - setting up the LLC before you officially receive the override interest is usually cleaner from a legal perspective than trying to transfer it later. If you wait until after you're already receiving royalties in your personal name, the transfer to an LLC could potentially trigger transfer taxes or other complications depending on your state. Better to have the structure in place from the beginning if possible.

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NebulaNomad

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Does anyone know if a single-member LLC provides the same liability protection as a multi-member LLC for oil royalties? My CPA mentioned something about single-member LLCs having "weaker" liability shields in some states, but wasn't super clear on the details.

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Javier Garcia

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This varies by state, but generally speaking, courts in some jurisdictions have been more willing to "pierce the veil" of single-member LLCs compared to multi-member ones. Wyoming and Nevada are known for stronger single-member LLC protections than states like California. For oil and gas interests specifically, the liability concerns are mostly environmental and operational. If you're receiving a royalty interest (not working interest), your liability exposure is already limited since royalty owners typically aren't responsible for operations.

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Dmitry Volkov

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Great question about LLC setup for your royalty override! I went through this exact decision last year when I started receiving override payments from my position at a drilling company. One factor I didn't see mentioned yet is the depletion deduction. With an LLC, you can potentially take percentage depletion (up to 15% for oil and gas) or cost depletion, whichever is greater. This can be a significant tax benefit that you might not fully utilize on your personal return depending on your other income. Also consider the professional management aspect - having an LLC makes it easier to bring in partners later if your override interests grow, or if you want to purchase additional mineral rights. It establishes a clear business structure from the start. The key is getting your employment agreement reviewed first (as Oliver mentioned) to make sure there are no restrictions. My company required me to notify HR before setting up the LLC, but they were fine with it once I explained the liability protection benefits. The whole process took about 6 weeks from start to finish including getting the EIN and opening business accounts.

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Thanks for sharing your experience, Dmitry! The depletion deduction angle is really interesting - I hadn't thought about that benefit. Quick question: did you end up going with percentage depletion or cost depletion in your first year? I'm trying to understand which one typically works out better for override interests since I assume the "cost basis" would be pretty minimal (essentially zero) for an employment-based override. Also, when you mentioned bringing in partners later - are you thinking about other family members or actual business partners? I'm wondering if there are any specific structures that work better if you want to eventually involve a spouse or kids in the LLC.

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