Schedule 8812 Calculation Confusion - Advanced Child Tax Credit Not Being Factored Correctly?
So I'm pulling my hair out trying to understand my Child Tax Credit calculation. I received $3,600 as Advanced Child Tax Credit payments last year (for my 4-year-old and my 13-year-old). By my understanding, the max credit should be $7,200 total, and since I got half already, I should only be getting the remaining $3,600 on my return. But when I'm working through Schedule 8812, it's like the form completely ignores that I already received advanced payments. I'm ending up with $9,400 on line 14i which can't possibly be right. The math isn't adding up and I'm confused why the form isn't factoring in the advanced payments I already received. Am I missing something obvious here? Has anyone else run into this issue with Schedule 8812 not accounting for the advanced payments correctly?
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Oliver Schmidt
This is a common issue people are running into this year. Schedule 8812 can be a bit confusing because the form doesn't subtract your advance payments until later in the calculation process. What's happening is that line 14i is just calculating your TOTAL eligible Child Tax Credit amount for the year. The subtraction of the advance payments you already received happens later on Schedule 8812 - specifically on line 14j where you enter your advance CTC payments. Then line 14k will show your remaining credit (or potential excess that you might have to repay). Double-check that you're completing the entire form. The advance payments don't get factored in until after you calculate your total eligible amount. Make sure you're entering your advance payment amount on the correct line (should be line 14j) and then continuing through the rest of the calculation.
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Amina Diop
•Ohhhh that makes SO much sense now! I think I was getting confused because I was only looking at line 14i and freaking out. I'll go back and make sure I'm completing the whole form correctly. So just to be super clear - line 14i is supposed to show my total eligible amount BEFORE subtracting advance payments?
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Oliver Schmidt
•Yes, that's exactly right! Line 14i shows your total eligible Child Tax Credit amount for the entire year, before any advance payments are considered. This is by design so the form can properly calculate everything. Then when you enter your advance CTC payments on line 14j, the form will subtract that amount from your total eligible credit to determine what you're still owed (or if you received too much). So seeing $9,400 on line 14i doesn't necessarily mean you're getting that full amount - it's just part of the calculation process.
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Ravi Sharma
Has anyone noticed if income phaseouts are affecting their Child Tax Credit? I make about $160k as a single parent and when I was doing my Schedule 8812, the calculation seemed to reduce my credit amount before even considering the advance payments.
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Oliver Schmidt
•Yes, that's definitely a factor! For 2025, the Child Tax Credit begins to phase out at $200,000 for single filers and $400,000 for married filing jointly. Since you're at $160k, you should still get the full amount unless there are other factors at play. The phaseout reduces the credit by $50 for each $1,000 (or fraction thereof) by which your modified AGI exceeds the threshold. Schedule 8812 handles this calculation in Part 1, before it even gets to dealing with advance payments in Part 2. Make sure you're entering everything in the correct order on the form. The form first determines your eligible amount based on income, then later subtracts any advance payments you received.
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Ravi Sharma
•Thanks for explaining! That makes sense - I was getting confused about which part of the form does what. My income is below the phaseout so I should be getting the full amount. Sounds like my issue might be somewhere else in how I'm completing Schedule 8812.
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Freya Larsen
Does anyone know if we're supposed to have received a letter from the IRS showing how much we got in advance payments? I'm trying to fill out my Schedule 8812 but can't remember exactly how much I received.
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Omar Hassan
•Yes, you should've received Letter 6419 from the IRS that shows your total advance Child Tax Credit payments for last year. If you can't find it, you can also check your IRS online account - they have a record of all payments they sent you.
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Sofia Ramirez
The IRS also has a tool on their website where you can look up your advance Child Tax Credit payments if you can't find Letter 6419. Just go to IRS.gov and search for "Child Tax Credit Update Portal" - you can log in and see exactly how much you received in advance payments throughout the year. This is super important to get right because if you enter the wrong amount on Schedule 8812, it'll throw off your entire refund calculation. I learned this the hard way when I accidentally used the wrong number and ended up owing money when I should have gotten a refund!
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Natalie Chen
•This is really helpful! I didn't know about the Child Tax Credit Update Portal. I've been searching everywhere for my Letter 6419 and starting to panic that I lost it. Being able to log in online and get the exact numbers will be so much easier than trying to piece together bank statements or guess at the amounts. Thanks for sharing this - you probably just saved me from making a costly mistake on my return!
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Freya Pedersen
I had this exact same confusion when I was doing my taxes! The key thing to remember is that Schedule 8812 is designed to work in stages. First it calculates your total eligible Child Tax Credit for the year (which is what you're seeing on line 14i), then it accounts for any advance payments you already received. So that $9,400 on line 14i isn't your final refund amount - it's just showing that based on your two qualifying children, you're eligible for that total credit. The form then subtracts your $3,600 in advance payments on line 14j to show your remaining credit. Make sure you have your Letter 6419 handy (or check the IRS Child Tax Credit Update Portal online) to get the exact advance payment amount. Getting that number wrong will definitely throw off your calculation. Once you enter the correct advance payment amount and complete the rest of the form, you should see your actual remaining credit amount, which should be much closer to what you were expecting.
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