Is it too late to file Form 3115 for 2023 cash to accrual accounting method change?
Hey tax folks - I'm in a bit of a time crunch here with some tax planning that depends on this answer. If a business files its 2023 tax return and includes Form 3115 at the same time to notify the IRS that they switched from cash basis to accrual basis accounting during 2023, would that be considered too late? I know generally method changes should be done before the tax year, but I've heard conflicting info about whether you can do it simultaneously with the return filing. My client is really pushing me on this and I need a definitive answer ASAP since we have some major decisions riding on this. Thanks for any insights you can provide!!
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James Martinez
You're cutting it close but it's not too late. Form 3115 for accounting method changes can technically be filed with a timely filed tax return (including extensions) for the year of change. The key thing to understand is that a Form 3115 for changing from cash to accrual method has two components: the original form attached to the tax return and a duplicate copy that should be sent to the IRS national office. Ideally, this would have been planned earlier, but if you're still within the filing deadline for 2023 (including extensions), you can still make this work. Just make sure you're eligible for the automatic change procedures under Rev. Proc. 2015-13 and that your client qualifies for the change. Also calculate the Section 481(a) adjustment correctly - that's where most errors happen with method changes.
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Olivia Harris
•Thanks for the info! I thought you had to file Form 3115 before the start of the tax year you want the change to take effect. Are you saying we can still do it even though 2023 is over as long as we haven't filed the 2023 return yet? Do we need to request an extension if we haven't already?
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James Martinez
•You're mixing up advance consent method changes with automatic method changes. For automatic method changes (which most cash-to-accrual changes qualify for), you can file Form 3115 with a timely filed return including extensions. You don't need to file before the year begins. If you haven't filed for an extension yet and are past the original due date, then yes, you'd need to request an extension immediately to keep the return "timely filed" and preserve your ability to make this change for 2023.
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Alexander Zeus
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Alicia Stern
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Emily Sanjay
Something important nobody has mentioned - make sure you're actually eligible to change from cash to accrual method! There are limitations based on your entity type and business revenue. If your average annual gross receipts for the prior three tax years exceeds $5 million, you might be REQUIRED to use accrual. But if you're under $27 million (for 2023), you generally can choose either method. Be careful about the Section 481(a) adjustment too - that's the income or deduction that results from the accounting method change. Depending on your situation, it could be significant.
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Jordan Walker
•I thought the small business exception was increased significantly under the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act? Isn't it much higher than $5 million now?
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Emily Sanjay
•You're absolutely right, thanks for the correction! The threshold was increased under TCJA to $25 million and is adjusted for inflation (around $27 million for 2023). Businesses with average annual gross receipts below this threshold for the prior 3 tax years can generally use either cash or accrual method. Above that threshold, there are additional restrictions that could require accrual method.
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Natalie Adams
Just throwing this out there - have you considered whether this accounting method change is really necessary? Switching from cash to accrual is a big deal and creates a lot of complexity. My CPA advised against it for my business because the ongoing compliance burden wasn't worth the temporary tax benefits.
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Elijah O'Reilly
•This is actually really good advice. I switched from cash to accrual in 2021 and immediately regretted it. The ongoing bookkeeping became so much more complicated, and it didn't save nearly as much in taxes as I thought it would.
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Mason Davis
I actually went through this exact situation with a client last year and can confirm what others have said - you CAN file Form 3115 with your 2023 return as long as it's timely filed (including extensions). The critical thing is making sure you qualify for the automatic change procedures. Most cash-to-accrual changes for businesses under the $27 million threshold qualify, but you need to be careful about the Section 481(a) adjustment calculation. One thing I'd add that I haven't seen mentioned - if your client has a positive Section 481(a) adjustment (meaning they'll owe more tax), they can spread it over 4 years to soften the impact. If it's negative (tax savings), they get the full benefit in the year of change. Also make sure you send the duplicate copy to the IRS National Office within the required timeframe - that's a common mistake that can cause the whole method change to be rejected. The address and timing requirements are in the Form 3115 instructions.
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Caleb Stark
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm new to handling accounting method changes and wasn't aware of the 4-year spread option for positive Section 481(a) adjustments. That could make a huge difference for my client's cash flow situation. Quick question - when you mention sending the duplicate copy to the IRS National Office, is there a specific timeframe for that? And does it need to be sent separately from the return filing, or can it all go together? I want to make sure I don't miss any critical deadlines that could jeopardize the method change.
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