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Natasha Volkova

How to apply US-India tax treaty benefits for reduced 25% tax rate on 1040-NR dividend income

I'm filing my 1040-NR for 2024 as I was a non-resident alien for the entire year. I'm from India and facing an issue with claiming the US-India tax treaty benefits for dividend income. I updated my W8-BEN with my broker (Schwab) around May last year, and they started applying the treaty rate of 25% from June onwards instead of the default 30% rate. The problem is that for January-May, no tax treaty rate was applied and I'm getting charged the full 30% rate. When using TaxSlayer for my 1040-NR filing, I can't find any option to claim the US-India tax treaty benefits for those early months. The software automatically uses the 30% rate for dividends received before my W8-BEN update. Is there a specific form or section where I can claim the reduced dividend withholding rate of 25% under the US-India treaty for those first five months? Any guidance would be really appreciated as this is quite a significant difference in tax amounts given my dividend income of around $43,000 for those months.

Javier Torres

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The US-India tax treaty does allow for the reduced 25% rate on dividends, but claiming it correctly on your 1040-NR can be tricky. You'll need to complete Schedule NEC (Non-Effectively Connected Income) carefully and reference the treaty. On your 1040-NR, you should list all your dividend income in the appropriate section. Then, on Schedule NEC, you can specifically claim the treaty benefits by entering "India" in column (a) for country, entering the appropriate income amount in column (d), and most importantly, entering "25%" in column (e) for the treaty rate - even for those early months where 30% was withheld. In column (f), calculate the tax at the 25% rate. You'll also need to add Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure) to your filing. This form allows you to explain that you're claiming the reduced rate under Article 10 of the US-India tax treaty for all dividend income, including the January-May period.

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Emma Davis

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Thanks for the detailed information! But wouldn't OP end up paying the difference if they claim 25% for the months where 30% was actually withheld? Or are they supposed to get a refund for those months? Also, is Form 8833 absolutely necessary? I think there are some exceptions to filing it depending on the circumstances.

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Javier Torres

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If 30% was withheld but the treaty rate is 25%, they would be entitled to a refund of that additional 5% withholding. When they file correctly showing the 25% treaty rate on Schedule NEC, the IRS will see that too much tax was withheld and issue a refund for the overpayment. Regarding Form 8833, it's generally required when claiming treaty benefits, but you're right that there are exceptions. According to IRS regulations, claiming reduced rates on dividends under many tax treaties is actually covered by a reporting exception in Reg. 301.6114-1(c)(1)(iv). So in many cases, you don't need Form 8833 for just dividend withholding rate reductions. However, I still recommend including it for clarity, especially when retroactively claiming treaty benefits.

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AstroAce

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that you should double-check if your broker actually withheld at 30% during those early months. Sometimes brokers apply the correct treaty rate even without an updated W8-BEN if they have your country of residence on file from previous documents. Look at your 1042-S forms from your broker - they'll show the exact withholding rate applied for each payment. If they actually withheld at 25% the whole time, you wouldn't need to claim any additional treaty benefits. But if they did withhold at 30%, then definitely follow the advice about Schedule NEC and proper treaty claims.

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Thank you for this suggestion! I just rechecked my 1042-S forms and you're right - they actually show different rates. For Jan-March they withheld at 30%, but April and May were already at 25% even though I thought my W8-BEN update wasn't processed until June. So I only need to claim treaty benefits for the first quarter, which simplifies things a bit.

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AstroAce

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That's great news! That will definitely make your filing easier since you only need to address a smaller portion of your dividends. Just make sure your tax software applies the correct rate to each payment based on what was actually withheld. If the software is still giving you trouble with applying different rates to different payments from the same source, you might need to enter them as separate items or look into the more specialized tax preparation options others have mentioned.

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Chloe Martin

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Has anyone dealt with a situation where dividends came from a US company but the stocks were held in a non-US brokerage account? I'm also filing 1040-NR and have dividends from a US company but through my Indian broker. Not sure if the treaty still applies the same way.

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Javier Torres

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Yes, the treaty still applies based on the source of the income, not where your brokerage is located. If they're US company dividends, the US-India tax treaty rate of 25% applies regardless of whether your broker is in India or the US. However, there's an additional complication - your Indian broker might not be withholding US taxes properly. You should check if they're sending you a 1042-S form showing US tax withholding. If they aren't withholding US tax, you would need to report the full dividend amount on your 1040-NR and pay the treaty rate of 25% yourself.

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