Do I need to file Form 1041 for an estate with EIN if gross income is under $600?

Thanks for explaining! So if I'm settling my mom's estate and her bank account earned $45 in interest after she passed, but we didn't sell any assets for a profit, we're under the threshold, right? Also, what about her final social security check that came after her death - does that count toward the $600?

Yes, the $45 in interest would count toward the threshold, but since it's under $600, you wouldn't need to file Form 1041 if that's the only income the estate received. Regarding Social Security benefits received after death, it depends on the timing. If the payment is for the month the person died, it generally belongs to the estate and could count as income. However, Social Security benefits themselves are often not taxable to the estate. If the payment is for months after death, it typically needs to be returned to Social Security as the person wasn't entitled to benefits after passing.

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Tax refunds are generally not considered "new income" to the estate because they're simply returning money that was already the person's before they died. They represent an overpayment of taxes from when they were alive. So no, this shouldn't count toward your $600 threshold for Form 1041 filing requirements.

Thanks for clarifying that! Makes sense that it wouldn't count as new income since it was basically his money all along. That's a relief because the refund was around $900 but the only actual new income was about $75 in bank interest.

Unfortunately, once it's filed, there's not really a way to "undo" it. The good news is that filing a Form 1041 when it wasn't required doesn't usually cause any problems - it's just extra unnecessary paperwork. Consider it extra compliance rather than a mistake! But definitely keep the $600 threshold in mind for future reference.

That makes me feel a little better! At least I didn't create any issues by filing it unnecessarily. Just wish I hadn't wasted money on the accountant. Lesson learned about researching tax requirements more carefully before hiring professionals!

This is really helpful information! I'm new to handling estate matters and had no idea about the $600 threshold. The EIN letter definitely made it sound like filing was mandatory regardless of income. Quick question - if the estate account earns interest over several months while we're settling everything, is that calculated from the date of death or from when the EIN was issued? I want to make sure I'm tracking the right timeframe for any potential income. Also, would things like his final utility bill refunds or security deposits returned after his death count toward that $600 threshold? I'm trying to get a complete picture of what might qualify as "gross income" for the estate.

Great questions! The $600 threshold is calculated from the date of death through the end of the tax year, not from when the EIN was issued. So if your uncle passed away in January, you'd track any estate income from January through December 31st of that year. Regarding utility refunds and security deposits - these generally wouldn't count as "gross income" for the estate because they're just returning money that was already your uncle's. Similar to tax refunds, these represent funds he was entitled to before his death, not new income generated after. The key distinction is whether the money represents new earnings (like interest, dividends, rental income) versus refunds/returns of existing assets. Interest earned on bank accounts definitely counts toward the threshold, but getting back a utility deposit or final bill credit typically doesn't. Keep good records of any interest earned on estate accounts - even small amounts like $10-20 per month can add up if the estate remains open for many months!

This is such valuable insight! I'm dealing with a similar situation for my grandfather's estate right now. The EIN letter had me convinced I'd need to file no matter what, but hearing about your experience with just $85 in interest is reassuring. One thing I'm curious about - did you have to keep detailed records of that bank interest throughout the process, or was it easy to calculate at the end? I'm trying to figure out the best way to track everything since his estate account has been earning small amounts of interest each month. Also, did you run into any issues with banks or other institutions accepting that you didn't need to file Form 1041? I'm worried someone might question why there's no filing when we have an EIN.