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Can't access our W2's after restaurant fire and owner's death - What should we do?

This has been an absolute nightmare of a situation. Back in December, our restaurant completely burned down in a horrific fire. The worst part was our owner was inside at the time and didn't survive. Beyond the emotional toll this has taken on all of us, we're now facing a major tax issue. The owner used Paycom for all payroll and tax document processing. They did release our W2's online briefly - like for maybe 24 hours - but then suddenly terminated the account without any warning. Now none of us can log into our accounts to get our tax documents. Me and another manager have called Paycom at least 6-7 times trying to explain the situation, but they keep saying they can't grant us access without the owner's authorization (which is obviously impossible now). It's just a complete mess. With tax filing deadlines approaching, what options do we have to get our W2's? Is there some way to get these documents from Paycom or should we be pursuing another route entirely? There's about 15 employees total who are all in the same situation.

I'm really sorry about what happened to your restaurant and owner. That's truly devastating. For your W2 situation, you actually have several options: First, contact the IRS directly at 800-829-1040. Explain that you're unable to get your W2 from your employer due to these circumstances. They can contact Paycom on your behalf or guide you on next steps. You can also file Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W-2) with your tax return. You'll need to estimate your wages and withholding as accurately as possible. Your final paystub of the year should have year-to-date information that would help with this. Another option is requesting your Wage and Income Transcript directly from the IRS, which shows all income reported under your Social Security number. You can get this online through the IRS website, by mail, or by filing Form 4506-T.

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Do you know if there's a waiting period for the Wage and Income Transcript? Like will it show my 2024 earnings already or does it take time to update in their system? Also, will this transcript show exactly what would be on my W2?

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There is typically a delay before current year information appears on the Wage and Income Transcript. For 2024 income, it might not be fully available until late May or June 2025, which could be after the filing deadline. That's why using Form 4852 with your best estimates from your final paystub might be better for timely filing. The transcript won't look exactly like your W-2, but it contains the same tax information - your wages, federal income tax withheld, Social Security and Medicare wages and taxes, and any other reported income. It has all the data you need for filing your return, just in a different format.

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Has anyone contacted the executor of the owner's estate? When a business owner dies, there's usually someone legally responsible for handling their affairs. That person might be able to authorize Paycom to provide the W2s or at least provide the payroll records so you can determine your wages and withholdings for the year.

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That's actually a really good idea I hadn't thought of. I believe the owner's sister is handling his affairs, but honestly we've all been keeping our distance out of respect while she's grieving. Maybe I could reach out carefully and just ask if she has any information about the business accounts or records. The restaurant was doing well financially, so there must be some kind of bookkeeping or records somewhere.

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Approaching with sensitivity is definitely the right move. You might frame it as wanting to properly close out your employment relationship with the business rather than just tax documents. The executor likely has legal access to business records that could help everyone involved. If there was a business accountant or bookkeeper separate from Paycom, they might also have records that would be helpful. Many businesses keep separate financial records beyond what their payroll service maintains.

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I just went through something similar. If you have your last pay stub from December, it should show year-to-date totals for your earnings and all withholdings. Those numbers are basically what would be on your W2!

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This is 100% the way to go. I worked payroll for years and the YTD on your final December paystub should match your W2 exactly for most regular employees. Only difference might be if you had taxable benefits added after the last payroll was processed.

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