Can annuity income from a Roth be reinvested back into another Roth account tax-free?
Title: Can annuity income from a Roth be reinvested back into another Roth account tax-free? 1 I've been going in circles trying to get a clear answer on this situation with my retirement accounts. So I have some money in a Roth IRA and I'm considering purchasing an annuity with those Roth dollars. I understand that when the annuity starts paying me income, those payments won't be taxed since they're coming from Roth funds originally. My question is - if I receive those Roth annuity payments, can I then turn around and transfer that money into another Roth account (like a direct institution-to-institution transfer) so I can reinvest it while keeping the tax-free status? Or to phrase it differently - are the income payments from a Roth annuity considered "Roth dollars" that maintain their tax-free status for potential reinvestment? I've talked to two different financial advisors and got slightly different answers, so I'm hoping someone here can clarify once and for all.
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QuantumQuasar
18 The answer is actually a bit nuanced. When you purchase an annuity with Roth dollars, you're right that the income it generates will come to you tax-free. However, there's an important distinction to understand. The payments you receive from a Roth annuity are considered distributions, not earnings that can be directly rolled over or transferred to another Roth account. Once money comes out of the Roth environment as a distribution (even tax-free), it loses its special "Roth status" for transfer purposes. You can't do an institution-to-institution transfer of annuity payments back into a Roth IRA. That said, you could potentially take those tax-free annuity payments and make new annual contributions to a Roth IRA, but you'd be limited to the annual contribution limits ($7,000 in 2025, or $8,000 if you're 50+) and you must have earned income to qualify for making Roth contributions.
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QuantumQuasar
•7 Thanks for the explanation! So if I understand correctly, I can't just funnel all of my annuity payments back into a Roth account as a transfer, but I could use that money to make new contributions as long as I have earned income and stay under the annual limits. But what if I'm retired and don't have earned income anymore? Would there be any way to get those annuity payments back into a tax-advantaged account?
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QuantumQuasar
•18 If you're retired without earned income, you wouldn't be eligible to make new Roth IRA contributions, as having earned income is a requirement for contributing to any IRA. Without earned income, your options would be more limited. You could invest those tax-free annuity payments in a regular taxable brokerage account. While future growth would be subject to capital gains taxes, you'd still have the benefit of the annuity payments themselves being tax-free.
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QuantumQuasar
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QuantumQuasar
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QuantumQuasar
•9 I'm a bit skeptical about these services. Couldn't you get the same information from a free consultation with a financial advisor? What made this better than just calling Fidelity or wherever your accounts are held?
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QuantumQuasar
•12 The service works by analyzing your specific retirement documents and tax situation. You upload statements or documents showing your retirement accounts, and their system identifies the relevant tax rules that apply to your situation. You control what you share, and they use data security protocols like what banks use. What made it valuable compared to my previous advisor consultations was the detailed citations to specific IRS rules and regulations, not just general advice. When I called my brokerage, I got three different answers from three different representatives. With taxr.ai, I got a definitive analysis with specific references to the tax code sections that applied to my situation.
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QuantumQuasar
9 Just wanted to follow up about my experience with taxr.ai from my earlier question. I decided to try it after getting frustrated with conflicting advice. I uploaded my Roth IRA statements and annuity contract, and their analysis was really eye-opening. They explained that while I couldn't do institution-to-institution transfers of my annuity payments back to my Roth, there were some specific exceptions based on my particular annuity contract that allowed for partial reinvestment through a specific provision. The report included references to specific IRS publication sections that my financial advisor had missed. I took their analysis to my advisor who actually thanked me for bringing this information to their attention! Definitely cleared up my confusion about the "Roth dollars" question.
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QuantumQuasar
15 After battling with the IRS for weeks trying to get clarity on Roth annuity rules, I finally found a way to actually speak to a real person at the IRS who could answer my question definitively. I used Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) and was honestly shocked that it worked. You can see a demo of how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I had called the IRS regular number about 6 times and kept getting disconnected or waiting for hours. With Claimyr, I got a callback from an actual IRS agent within about 40 minutes. The agent was able to confirm the specific rules around Roth annuity distributions and reinvestment options for my situation. The agent walked me through exactly how the IRS treats annuity payments from a Roth and cleared up my confusion about whether those payments could be transferred to another Roth account.
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QuantumQuasar
•21 How does this actually work? I thought it was impossible to get the IRS on the phone. Is this some kind of priority line or something?
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QuantumQuasar
•9 I'm extremely doubtful this is legit. The IRS doesn't just have a secret number you can call. And even if you get through, most agents just read from the same scripts we can find online. Did you actually get different information than what's publicly available?
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QuantumQuasar
•15 It works by navigating the IRS phone system for you and holding your place in line. When an agent becomes available, the service calls you and connects you to the IRS agent. It's not a priority line or anything - it just handles the waiting and navigating the phone tree for you. Yes, I got much more specific information than what's available in the general publications. The agent looked up my specific situation and explained how the rules applied in my case with the particular annuity I had purchased. They clarified the distinction between taking distributions from an annuity within a Roth IRA versus receiving payments from an annuitized Roth - something none of the general IRS publications clearly addressed for my situation.
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QuantumQuasar
9 I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it myself since I had some complicated questions about my Roth annuity that I couldn't get answered through normal channels. Within an hour, I was actually speaking with an IRS tax specialist who understood the nuances of Roth annuities. She explained that annuity payments from a Roth-funded annuity are considered distributions, not income that can be directly rolled over. But she also pointed me to a specific provision that could apply in my case based on how my annuity was structured. What would have been weeks of back-and-forth with my annuity provider and trying to get through on the IRS line was resolved in one detailed conversation. I'm still surprised it worked so well.
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QuantumQuasar
3 Not sure if this helps, but I just went through something similar with my Roth annuity last year. The way it was explained to me by my tax guy is that once the money comes out as payments, it's considered a distribution. Even though it's tax-free because it came from a Roth, it's not considered "Roth dollars" anymore that can be rolled into another Roth account. I ended up just taking the payments and investing them in a regular brokerage account. Not ideal since future gains are taxable, but at least the initial investment and the growth from the annuity itself all came out tax-free.
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QuantumQuasar
•7 Did your tax person mention anything about qualified vs non-qualified distributions? I'm wondering if age makes a difference here (like if you're under 59½ vs over).
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QuantumQuasar
•3 Yes, age definitely matters with Roth distributions. Since I'm over 59½ and had my Roth for more than 5 years, all my distributions were qualified and completely tax-free. If you're under 59½ or haven't had a Roth for 5 years, the rules get more complicated. The contributions part would still come out tax-free, but the earnings portion might be subject to taxes and potentially penalties if it's a non-qualified distribution. This can affect how you might want to handle any reinvestment strategy.
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QuantumQuasar
10 I think people are overcomplicating this. The simple answer is no - you can't take annuity payments and roll them back into a Roth IRA as a transfer. Once money leaves the Roth environment as a distribution, it's just regular money in your pocket (albeit tax-free). The only way to get money "back in" would be through regular annual Roth contributions if you're eligible (have earned income, under the income limits, etc.). It's kind of like asking if you can take your tax refund and roll it into an IRA - you can't roll it in, but you can use that money to make a contribution if you qualify.
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QuantumQuasar
•11 That's a really helpful way of looking at it! The tax refund analogy makes it clear. Even though both are tax-free money, they're not considered the same type of funds for rollover/transfer purposes.
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Mateo Rodriguez
I appreciate all the detailed explanations here. Just to add another perspective - I work in retirement planning and see this confusion a lot. The key concept everyone's touching on is correct: once distributions begin from any retirement account (including Roth annuities), those payments lose their "qualified funds" status for transfer purposes. One thing I'd add is that the type of annuity matters too. If you have a deferred annuity *inside* your Roth IRA that hasn't been annuitized yet, you might still have some flexibility to exchange it for other investments within the Roth. But once you start receiving actual annuity payments, those are distributions that can't be rolled back in. The earned income requirement for new Roth contributions is also crucial - if you're retired, even having a spouse with earned income could potentially allow for a spousal Roth IRA contribution using your annuity payments, assuming you file jointly and meet the income limits.
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