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Alexander Zeus

Can I withdraw trust interest/dividends into my personal account as the trustee?

I became the successor trustee for my mom's grantor trust after she passed away last October. I'm going with the 645 estate and trust tax election based on a fiscal year ending tomorrow. Yesterday my accountant told me I should withdraw the interest and dividend income by tomorrow "just in case" - which is the end of our fiscal year. I didn't do anything like this for the previous tax year. The subtrust accounts that were supposed to be created for me and my brother have been set up but haven't been used yet. I have two questions: 1. Can I just withdraw the money into my personal checking account and then move it to the beneficiary subtrusts later on? Or is that asking for trouble? 2. For calculating how much to withdraw, do I just look at the interest, dividends, and I'm guessing capital gains for the year-to-date and then withdraw cash based on those figures? Really need some quick advice since this deadline is tomorrow!

You need to be very careful here as a trustee. Your role comes with fiduciary responsibilities. While technically you *can* withdraw trust funds, doing so into your personal account without proper documentation could be problematic and potentially viewed as self-dealing. For your questions specifically: 1. It's better practice to withdraw to a separate account specifically for the trust administration, not your personal account. If you absolutely must use your personal account, document everything meticulously - dates, amounts, purpose - and transfer to the appropriate subtrusts immediately. This creates an unnecessary risk though. 2. Yes, you'd look at the investment income (interest, dividends, capital gains) for the fiscal year. However, the reason for this withdrawal matters. Is your CPA suggesting this to distribute income to beneficiaries for income tax purposes? Or for some other trust administration reason? The 645 election gives you some flexibility, but you still need to follow trust terms regarding distributions. I'd clarify with your CPA exactly why this withdrawal is being recommended before proceeding.

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Thanks for responding so quickly! The CPA wasn't super clear about why I needed to do this by tomorrow - just said something about "cleaning things up before fiscal year end" and "just in case." I'm thinking it has something to do with income tax distribution requirements? The trust document says income can be distributed annually, but doesn't say it MUST be distributed. I'm confused why this is suddenly urgent when we didn't do this last year. If I set up a separate trustee account, would that work better than using my personal account? I'm trying to avoid opening yet another account if possible.

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I would definitely ask your CPA to clarify their recommendation. "Just in case" isn't a sufficient explanation for moving trust assets. There may be legitimate tax planning reasons, but you should understand them before taking action. Setting up a separate trustee account would be much better than using your personal account. Commingling trust funds with personal funds is generally a bad practice that can create both legal and accounting headaches. The extra account is worth avoiding potential problems down the road. If time is too tight to set up a new account before tomorrow, consider asking the CPA if this can wait until you have proper accounts established. Without knowing their specific reasoning, it's hard to evaluate how urgent this truly is. Trust administration requires careful documentation and proper procedures.

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Speaking as a trust beneficiary who's been through this before - PLEASE don't put trust money in your personal account even temporarily! My uncle did this as trustee "just for a few days" and it created such a mess. The other beneficiaries found out and it almost ended up in court because it looked super suspicious even though he wasn't actually doing anything wrong. If you need to make distributions, either use the existing subtrust accounts or create a separate administrative account specifically for the trust. Document everything with extreme detail. Trust administration requires a clear paper trail, especially regarding money movements.

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This is really helpful perspective, thank you. I definitely want to avoid creating suspicion or problems with my brother. If I open a separate trustee account, would it make sense to make the distributions from the main trust account directly to the subtrust accounts instead? Is there any benefit to moving it to an administrative account first?

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Yes, distributing directly from the main trust account to the subtrust accounts would be the cleanest approach if those accounts are already set up. This creates a clear paper trail showing exactly where the money went without any intermediate steps that could be questioned. The administrative account is mainly helpful when you need to temporarily hold funds for things like paying trust expenses, preparing for distributions that haven't been finalized, or managing income that hasn't been allocated yet. In your case, if you're simply making distributions to already-established subtrusts, going directly there makes more sense.

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Random question but does anyone know if capital gains are considered "income" that needs to be distributed? My trustee (my delightful sister) keeps insisting that capital gains stay in the trust while only sending me the interest and dividends. The trust says "income shall be distributed annually" but doesn't define what counts as income.

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Generally speaking, capital gains are typically considered principal, not income, under most state trust laws unless the trust document specifically defines "income" differently. The Uniform Principal and Income Act (which many states follow in some form) typically treats capital gains as principal that stays with the trust. That's why many modern trusts are shifting to "unitrust" provisions that distribute a fixed percentage of the entire trust value annually, rather than just "income" which can be manipulated through investment choices.

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Thank you for explaining this! I was confused because from a tax perspective I know capital gains are considered income, but I guess for trust purposes they're treated differently. Looks like my sister might actually be handling this correctly (don't tell her I said that). Appreciate the help!

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Little tip from someone who's been a trustee for years - if you're making distributions "in case" as your CPA suggested, make sure to document the INTENT of the distribution clearly. Write down why you're doing it, who authorized it, and what trust provision you're following. I've found keeping a trustee journal with all these details saves tons of headaches later, especially if you're ever questioned by beneficiaries or (god forbid) end up in court. Courts give trustees wide latitude if they can show they were acting in good faith with proper documentation.

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As someone who's dealt with trust administration myself, I'd strongly recommend getting clarity from your CPA before making any moves tomorrow. The phrase "just in case" is concerning - there should be a specific tax or legal reason for this distribution. A few thoughts based on your situation: 1. **Never use your personal account** - this creates unnecessary risk and potential for claims of self-dealing. If the subtrust accounts are already set up, distribute directly to those. If not, even a basic trustee checking account would be better than commingling with personal funds. 2. **Understand the "why" first** - Your CPA might be thinking about income tax distribution requirements under the 645 election, but you need to know exactly what they're trying to accomplish. Different types of income may have different distribution requirements. 3. **Document everything** - Whatever you decide, make sure you have clear records of the amounts, the trust provisions you're relying on, and the purpose of the distribution. If you can't get clarity from your CPA before tomorrow, consider whether this can wait until you have proper guidance. Trust administration mistakes are much harder to fix after the fact than they are to prevent upfront.

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