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Summer Green

Can I have both an HSA AND HRA at the same time? Conflicting eligibility rules

I'm trying to figure out if HSA and HRA can coexist without disqualifying each other. My situation is giving me a headache trying to interpret the rules. Our company just switched to a new health plan with a $5,000 deductible. From what I understand, that makes it a HDHP since it's way above the $1,500 HDHP minimum threshold for 2025. Here's the confusing part - the company is also offering an HRA, but it ONLY covers HOSPITAL SERVICES. The HRA kicks in after we pay the first $1,000, and then it covers up to $4,000. I know normally having an HRA disqualifies you from HSA eligibility since the HRA would cover expenses below the required HDHP deductible minimum. But since this HRA is specifically limited to hospital services only, many employees end up spending over $1,500 out-of-pocket anyway on non-hospital stuff. Does this special limitation on the HRA (hospital services only) mean we can still contribute to HSAs? The HR department seems confused about this too, and I really want to take advantage of the tax benefits of an HSA if possible!

Gael Robinson

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You've hit on a really tricky area of tax and benefits planning! The key to answering your question lies in understanding what the IRS calls a "limited purpose HRA." In general, you're right that having both an HSA and HRA at the same time usually doesn't work because traditional HRAs cover expenses before you hit your deductible, which disqualifies an HDHP from being HSA-eligible. However, there are special types of HRAs that ARE compatible with HSAs. For your specific situation, if your employer's HRA is truly ONLY for hospital services (not other medical services), it might qualify as what's called a "limited purpose HRA." Limited purpose HRAs can coexist with HSAs because they don't undermine the high-deductible nature of your health plan for non-excluded services. To be absolutely certain, your employer should check how their HRA plan documents are written. The plan needs to explicitly restrict reimbursements to just hospital services (and potentially vision/dental, which are also allowed exceptions). If it's properly structured this way in writing, then yes, employees should be able to contribute to HSAs.

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Thanks for the explanation! Just to clarify, does "hospital services" specifically mean only inpatient care? Or would emergency room visits count too? And what about outpatient procedures done at a hospital facility?

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Gael Robinson

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Hospital" services typically includes both inpatient and emergency room care at hospital facilities. This would cover things like your room charges, surgical procedures done in the hospital, emergency department visits, and other services billed directly by the hospital. Outpatient procedures performed at hospital facilities would generally be included "under hospital" services as long as'they re billed by the hospital itself. However, if a doctor bills separately for their (services even if performed at the)hospital , that might fall outside "the hospital" services definition, depending on how your specific HRA plan iswritten.

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Darcy Moore

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Dana Doyle

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That sounds interesting... did it also tell you if you could do a family HSA contribution or just individual? My spouse has insurance through his work but I'm trying to figure out if we can max out our HSA through my plan.

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Liam Duke

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Darcy Moore

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Dana Doyle

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Liam Duke

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Khalid Howes

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Just to add another perspective from someone who deals with this at work - I'm a benefits coordinator and we specifically set up a hospital-only HRA for our employees because so many people wanted to keep contributing to HSAs. The key is that the HRA plan documents MUST explicitly state that it only covers hospital services and is designed to be compatible with HSAs. It can't just be a verbal understanding or a company policy - it has to be formally written into the plan documents. Also, make sure the HRA doesn't accidentally cover any other services that would disqualify HSA eligibility. The safest HRAs to pair with HSAs are either: 1) Post-deductible HRAs (only kick in after you meet your full deductible) 2) Limited purpose HRAs (only cover dental/vision or in your case, hospital services

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Summer Green

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Thank you so much for this information! So if I understand correctly, I need to specifically ask for a copy of our HRA plan documents and look for language stating it's designed to be HSA-compatible, right? Is there specific wording I should look for?

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Khalid Howes

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Yes, definitely ask HR for a copy of the actual HRA plan documents, not just the summary benefits description. Look for language like "limited purpose HRA" or specific statements that the HRA is "designed to be compatible with HSA contributions" or "preserves HSA eligibility." The documents should clearly state that reimbursements are limited to hospital services only. Some plans will define exactly what counts as "hospital services" - typically inpatient care, emergency room visits, and hospital-billed outpatient procedures. The more specific the limitation language, the better from an HSA compatibility standpoint.

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Ben Cooper

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Has anyone considered just using an FSA instead of dealing with all this HSA/HRA complexity? My company offers both options and I just went with the FSA because the rules seemed simpler, even though I know I lose the funds at year end if I don't use them.

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Naila Gordon

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FSAs are definitely simpler, but you're giving up a lot of benefits compared to HSAs. With an HSA, you get triple tax advantages (pre-tax contributions, tax-free growth, tax-free withdrawals for medical expenses), plus the money rolls over year after year, and you can even invest it. After age 65, you can use HSA funds for non-medical expenses too (paying just income tax like a traditional 401k). It's worth jumping through some hoops for those benefits if you can qualify!

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Ben Cooper

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Thanks for explaining that. I didn't realize HSAs had so many additional benefits beyond just the rollover feature. Maybe I'll reconsider for next year's open enrollment. I'm definitely throwing away money with the "use it or lose it" FSA situation - had to buy like 10 pairs of glasses last December just to use up my remaining balance lol.

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Chris King

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm in a similar situation where my employer just introduced a hospital-only HRA alongside our HDHP, and I've been nervous about contributing to my HSA without being 100% certain about the rules. Based on what everyone's shared here, it sounds like the key is getting confirmation that our HRA is properly structured as a "limited purpose HRA" in the official plan documents. I'm definitely going to request a copy of the actual HRA plan documents from HR and look for that specific language about HSA compatibility. The point about needing explicit written language in the plan documents (not just verbal assurances) is particularly important - I almost made the mistake of just trusting what our benefits coordinator told us verbally during the enrollment meeting. Thanks especially to those who shared the specific IRS guidance documents to reference. Having that official backing will make conversations with HR much more productive!

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Ava Williams

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You're absolutely right to be cautious about this! I went through the same uncertainty when my company introduced a similar setup. One thing I'd add is that when you're reviewing those plan documents, also pay attention to any waiting periods or restrictions on when the HRA kicks in. Some plans have language that could accidentally create HSA disqualification issues if the HRA coverage starts immediately rather than after you've met certain thresholds. In our case, the HRA only covers hospital expenses after we pay the first $1,000 out of pocket, which helps maintain the high-deductible nature of our health plan. Also, don't be surprised if your HR department needs some time to get you the actual plan documents - a lot of companies only have the summary benefit descriptions readily available, and they might need to request the full legal documents from their benefits administrator or insurance carrier.

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This thread has been incredibly informative! As someone who works in employee benefits consulting, I wanted to add a few important points that might help clarify things further. First, it's worth noting that even with a properly structured limited purpose HRA, you still need to ensure your underlying health plan meets all the HDHP requirements for HSA eligibility. The minimum deductible for 2025 is $1,600 for individual coverage and $3,200 for family coverage, and the maximum out-of-pocket limits are $8,050/$16,100 respectively. Second, regarding the hospital services definition - be aware that some plans get tricky with how they define this. For example, if your HRA covers "hospital facility charges" but excludes physician services performed at the hospital, that's typically fine. However, if the HRA covers ANY medical expenses outside of hospitals (even something seemingly minor like urgent care visits), it could disqualify HSA eligibility. Finally, I'd recommend documenting everything in writing once you get clarity from your employer. If HR confirms the HRA is HSA-compatible, ask them to put that confirmation in an email you can keep for your records. This can be crucial if questions arise later during an IRS audit or when working with tax preparers. The IRS doesn't mess around with HSA eligibility rules, so it's definitely worth taking the time to get this right!

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Charity Cohan

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This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I was hoping to find! Thank you for breaking down those specific HDHP requirements for 2025 - I need to double-check that our plan actually meets the $1,600 minimum deductible since you mentioned it and I want to be absolutely certain. Your point about getting written confirmation from HR is brilliant. I've learned the hard way with other tax situations that verbal assurances don't help much if the IRS comes knocking later. I'm definitely going to request that email documentation once I get clarity on our HRA structure. One follow-up question - when you mention "hospital facility charges" versus physician services, does that mean if I go to the ER and get separate bills (one from the hospital for the facility fee and another from the emergency physician), only the hospital facility portion would be covered by this type of limited purpose HRA? I want to make sure I understand exactly what expenses would and wouldn't be reimbursable so I can plan my HSA contributions accordingly.

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