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Saanvi Krishnaswami

Can I Open an HSA without an Eligible Health Plan if I'm Only Transferring Interest/Dividends?

I'm getting married in a few months and have an HSA from when I worked at my previous company that has quite a bit invested in it. I'm worried about keeping my pre-marriage HSA money separate from any growth that happens after we're married (for asset protection reasons if things don't work out). My idea was to open a second HSA where I could move just the interest and dividends that get earned in the original HSA after we're married, keeping the pre-marriage assets clearly separated. The problem is, when I tried to open this second HSA at Fidelity, they said I can't because I don't currently have an HSA-eligible high deductible health plan. My current insurance through my new job doesn't qualify. Is Fidelity right about this? I'm not trying to make new tax-advantaged contributions from my salary - I just want to move investment earnings from one HSA to another. Since these earnings were already generated within an HSA, they're already tax-exempt. I've looked at IRS Publication 969, but it mostly talks about making contributions to HSAs, not about simply opening an account. Technically I would be "contributing" to the new HSA, but it would only be with money that's already in the HSA system - just moving interest/dividends from one HSA to another. Is there any way to do this without having an eligible health plan?

Demi Lagos

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You're running into an important distinction in HSA rules. While you can have an HSA without currently having an eligible high-deductible health plan (HDHP), you cannot open a new HSA without being currently enrolled in a qualifying HDHP at the time of opening the account. The confusion happens because once you have an HSA, you can keep it forever and use the funds regardless of your current insurance status. But establishing a brand new HSA requires current HDHP enrollment - even if you're only planning to fund it with transfers from another HSA. Regarding your divorce protection strategy, you might want to consider an alternative approach. Instead of trying to open a new HSA, you could maintain detailed records of the account value on your wedding date and track all growth that occurs afterward. Many states will accept well-documented financial records when determining what portion of an account is separate property in a divorce. Another option would be to do a full rollover/transfer of your existing HSA to a new provider just before getting married, which establishes a clear value at that point in time.

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Mason Lopez

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Wait, I'm confused. I thought you could do trustee-to-trustee transfers between HSAs regardless of whether you're currently enrolled in an HDHP? Couldn't OP just open an HSA with a different provider through a transfer rather than a contribution?

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Demi Lagos

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You're right that trustee-to-trustee transfers between existing HSAs are allowed regardless of current HDHP enrollment. The issue here is that OP doesn't have two HSAs yet - they're trying to establish a second, new HSA without having an eligible HDHP. To be eligible to establish an HSA in the first place, you must be covered by an HDHP, not enrolled in Medicare, and not claimed as a dependent on someone else's tax return. Once established, you can keep the HSA and do transfers between existing HSAs without an HDHP, but you need to meet the eligibility requirements to create a new HSA account.

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Vera Visnjic

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Jake Sinclair

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How accurate is this tracking system? I've been using spreadsheets to track my HSA contributions and growth but it's getting complicated with all the dividends and interest payments.

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Does it work with Fidelity HSAs? My HSA is with them and their reporting isn't great for separating out what growth came from which original contributions.

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Vera Visnjic

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The tracking is extremely accurate. It connects to your HSA provider and analyzes every transaction, investment, and growth event. It's way better than spreadsheets because it automatically allocates interest and dividends proportionally to pre and post-marital contributions. Yes, it works perfectly with Fidelity HSAs! I actually use Fidelity too, and that's one reason I needed this service. Their standard reporting doesn't break things down the way you need for asset protection. The system connects to Fidelity's backend and pulls all the transaction data, then reorganizes it to create the proper documentation.

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Honorah King

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Mary Bates

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If you want to keep things separate, have you considered just doing a one-time rollover of your current HSA balance to another institution right before getting married? That would establish a clear paper trail of exactly what your pre-marriage HSA value was. Then after marriage, any growth in that account would technically be marital property, but you'd have clear documentation of what the starting value was. Many states have laws that recognize the appreciation of separate property as still being separate property, as long as it wasn't due to marital efforts and is properly documented.

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Ayla Kumar

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This is the approach I took when I got married. I did a complete rollover of my HSA to a new provider two weeks before the wedding. That established a clear starting balance that my lawyer said would be considered pre-marital assets. The subsequent growth has been carefully tracked separately.

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That's exactly right. The key is documentation and timing. By doing the rollover right before marriage, you create an official record of the account value as of that date. When tracking growth, it's also helpful to maintain the same investment allocation after marriage as you had before. This helps support the argument that any growth was passive appreciation of separate property rather than due to marital efforts.

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Couldn't you just withdraw the interest/dividends from your HSA each year and deposit them in a regular investment account? You'd pay tax on the withdrawal but at least you'd have the money fully separated. Since it's just the growth portion, the tax hit might not be that bad compared to the hassle of trying to maintain separate HSAs.

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That would be a really bad idea tax-wise. HSA withdrawals that aren't used for qualified medical expenses are subject to income tax PLUS a 20% penalty if you're under 65. That's a huge tax hit just to try to keep assets separate.

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StarStrider

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I've been following this discussion and wanted to share another perspective on your asset protection strategy. While everyone's focused on the HSA mechanics, have you considered whether this level of separation is actually necessary under your state's laws? Many states have "transmutation" doctrines where separate property can become marital property if it's commingled, but they also recognize that passive appreciation of separate property remains separate as long as it's properly documented. The key is usually having clear records of the pre-marital value and showing that any growth was due to market forces rather than marital contributions or active management. Before going through complex tracking systems or service fees, you might want to consult with a family law attorney in your state about whether your current HSA structure already provides adequate protection. In some jurisdictions, simply having documentation of your account balance on your wedding date (like a statement) might be sufficient to protect the pre-marital portion, even if the growth occurs in the same account. The rollover approach mentioned by Clay is probably the simplest and most cost-effective solution if you do need clearer separation - it creates an official paper trail without ongoing fees or complex tracking requirements.

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This is really solid advice, @StarStrider. I think a lot of people (myself included sometimes) overcomplicate asset protection when simpler documentation might be sufficient. Before I started looking into all these tracking services and rollover strategies, I probably should have just consulted with a family attorney first to understand what level of documentation my state actually requires. Some states are pretty straightforward about recognizing separate property as long as you can show the pre-marital value with basic account statements. The rollover approach does seem like the cleanest solution if you need that extra layer of protection - one transaction, clear paper trail, no ongoing complexity or fees.

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Ryan Vasquez

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Just wanted to add another data point to this discussion. I went through a similar situation last year when I got engaged and was concerned about keeping my HSA assets separate. After reading through all the advice here, I ended up doing the simple rollover approach that Clay and StarStrider mentioned. I transferred my entire HSA balance to a different provider about a month before my wedding. This created a clear paper trail showing the exact value of my pre-marital HSA assets. The process was straightforward - no tax implications since it was a direct trustee-to-trustee transfer, and it took about 2 weeks to complete. My family law attorney confirmed that this documentation would be more than sufficient in our state to establish the pre-marital character of those assets. Any growth after the wedding date is technically marital property, but the original balance plus its proportional share of growth can be traced back to separate property. Much simpler than trying to open a second HSA (which as others confirmed, you can't do without HDHP coverage) or paying for ongoing tracking services. Sometimes the simple solutions really are the best ones.

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CosmicCowboy

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@Ryan Vasquez, this is exactly the kind of real-world experience that's helpful! Thanks for sharing how the rollover approach worked out for you in practice. I'm curious - did you have any issues with your HSA investments during the transfer process? Like, did you have to liquidate everything to cash and then reinvest with the new provider, or were you able to transfer the actual investment positions? I'm wondering about potential market timing risks if you have to be out of the market for those couple weeks during the transfer. Also, which providers did you use for the transfer? Some HSA providers are definitely easier to work with than others when it comes to rollovers.

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