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Avoiding penalties for 401k withdrawal to cover law school and related expenses

My husband is starting law school next month and will be leaving his current job this week. He has about $22k in his 401k that we're considering using to help with school/living expenses during this transition. I'm trying to figure out the best way to avoid those early withdrawal penalties if possible. Initially we thought transferring to an IRA first and then withdrawing might be the way to go, but someone mentioned using a 529 plan could be more beneficial? We actually need to use some of this money to pay off existing medical debt so we can eliminate those monthly payments. This isn't directly school expenses, but it's essential to our plan of surviving on just my income while he's in school. I know this isn't the ideal situation and using retirement funds early isn't recommended, but we're trying to make the smartest choice given our circumstances. If we have to pay the penalties for early 401k withdrawal, we will, but hoping there's a better option. Any advice on the best approach to minimize penalties for 401k withdrawal in this situation?

The IRS does have some exceptions to the 10% early withdrawal penalty for 401k distributions, but they're very specific. For education expenses, the exception only applies to IRAs, not to 401ks directly. Here's what I'd suggest: Have your husband roll the 401k into an IRA after he leaves his job. Once it's in an IRA, qualified higher education expenses (tuition, books, supplies, etc.) can be withdrawn without the 10% penalty, though you'll still pay regular income tax on the withdrawal. For the medical expenses portion, if your total unreimbursed medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income in the year you take the withdrawal, you may qualify for a penalty exception on that portion too - but again, this works more smoothly from an IRA than directly from a 401k. The 529 plan idea doesn't really help in your situation. You'd still face penalties transferring from 401k to a 529, and you need the funds relatively soon.

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Thanks for this info! Would it matter if we did a Roth IRA vs a traditional IRA for the rollover? And how long do we need to wait after rolling it over before we can take the withdrawal?

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For the rollover question, if you roll the 401k into a Traditional IRA, you can immediately access the funds for qualified education expenses without the 10% penalty (though you'll still pay income tax). If you roll it into a Roth IRA, it's considered a conversion, and you'd pay taxes on the entire amount upfront, plus you generally need to wait 5 years before withdrawing the converted funds penalty-free. Regarding timing, there's technically no required waiting period after rolling over to a Traditional IRA before taking a withdrawal for qualified education expenses. However, some financial institutions might have their own processing timelines, so it could take a few weeks for everything to get settled before you can access the funds.

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Does this service help with figuring out how much of medical expenses would qualify for the penalty exception too? My situation is similar but more medical-heavy than education.

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Don't forget that if your husband is under 59½, even if you avoid the 10% early withdrawal penalty through an exception, you'll still have to pay regular income tax on the distribution. This could potentially push you into a higher tax bracket depending on your current income, so factor that into your calculations. Also worth considering: some 401k plans allow you to take a loan instead of a distribution. If his plan offers this and there's enough time before he leaves his job, a 401k loan might be worth looking at. You'd avoid taxes and penalties, though the loan typically becomes due if he leaves the company.

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Thank you for mentioning the regular income tax part - that's something I've been factoring in. Unfortunately the loan option isn't viable since he's leaving his job so soon. We've already calculated the potential tax hit and are prepared for that part, it's just the additional 10% penalty we're hoping to minimize where possible.

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That makes sense about the loan timing not working out. Another thing to consider is whether your husband might qualify for a hardship withdrawal directly from his 401k before leaving. Some plans allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals for certain education expenses and medical costs. It's worth calling his plan administrator ASAP to ask specifically about hardship withdrawal provisions for education and medical expenses. The rules vary by plan, but if his does allow it, this could potentially be simpler than the rollover-to-IRA approach, especially given your tight timeframe.

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Has your husband asked his school about emergency loans or payment plans? Many law schools have emergency funds or can defer some costs that might reduce how much you need to pull from retirement. Also look into Grad PLUS loans which can cover living expenses, not just tuition. Might be better long-term than raiding retirement.

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This is good advice. When I was in law school (graduated last year), I found out that my school had emergency grants that didn't need to be repaid for students in financial hardship. It covered about $5k of unexpected expenses that came up. Worth asking the financial aid office directly - sometimes these funds aren't advertised widely.

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We've explored some loan options, but not emergency funds specifically. That's a good suggestion I'll have him look into. The medical debt is at a much higher interest rate than education loans would be, so consolidating that is our priority. We're trying to minimize the 401k withdrawal, not use all of it, but still need a portion to make our monthly budget work.

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Just want to emphasize what others have said about the Traditional IRA rollover approach - this is likely your best bet. When your husband leaves his job, he can roll the 401k into a Traditional IRA, then withdraw for qualified higher education expenses (tuition, fees, books, supplies) without the 10% penalty, though you'll still owe income tax. One important detail: make sure to keep detailed records of all education expenses you're using the withdrawal for. The IRS can ask for documentation, and you want receipts showing the expenses were for qualified items. Room and board don't qualify for the education exception, but tuition and required books/supplies do. For the medical debt portion, if your unreimbursed medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income, that portion can also avoid the 10% penalty. You'll need good documentation for this too. The timing works in your favor since he's starting school soon - you can coordinate the withdrawal timing with when you actually incur the education expenses.

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