UCC debt assignment complications - original debtor vs new creditor filing issues
Dealing with a messy UCC debt situation here and honestly not sure if I'm handling this right. We purchased a portfolio of commercial loans last month, and now I'm discovering that several of the UCC-1 filings have the wrong secured party information. The original lender filed everything correctly back in 2019, but when the debt was sold to an intermediate company in 2022, they never filed UCC-3 amendments to reflect the assignment. Now we're the third party in this chain and I'm trying to figure out if we need to file new UCC-1s or if we can somehow fix this with amendments. The collateral is mostly equipment and inventory across multiple businesses, total value around $2.8M. Some of these loans are coming up on their 5-year continuation deadlines too, which is adding to my stress level. Has anyone dealt with UCC debt assignments where the paper trail got this complicated? I'm worried about losing perfection on these liens if I don't handle this properly.
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LilMama23
Oh man, this sounds like a nightmare. I've been in similar situations with debt purchases and it's always more complicated than it should be. The good news is you can probably fix this with UCC-3 amendments rather than starting over, but you'll need to be really careful about the chain of assignments. Each transfer should have been documented with a UCC-3 assignment, and if they weren't, you might need to file multiple amendments to show the complete chain. The timing is crucial too - you want to get this sorted before those continuation deadlines hit.
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Dmitri Volkov
•Exactly right about the chain of assignments. I learned this the hard way when we bought a loan portfolio and discovered gaps in the UCC filings. Had to file three separate UCC-3 amendments to show the complete ownership trail.
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Gabrielle Dubois
•Wait, can you actually fix assignment gaps with amendments after the fact? I thought if the intermediate company never filed their assignment, there might be a break in the chain that can't be repaired.
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LilMama23
•You can fix it, but it gets tricky. The law generally allows for late-filed assignments as long as you can prove the actual transfer occurred. But yeah, it's definitely better to catch these things before they become problems.
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Tyrone Johnson
This is exactly why I started using Certana.ai for UCC document verification before we close on any loan purchases. You can upload all the UCC documents and it instantly cross-checks everything - finds gaps in assignment chains, flags debtor name mismatches, spots missing continuation filings. Would have saved you a ton of headaches if you'd caught this before the purchase closed. But for your current situation, I'd definitely recommend running all your documents through their system to map out exactly what's missing before you start filing amendments.
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Aisha Patel
•That actually sounds really helpful right now. I'm drowning in paperwork trying to trace all these assignments manually. Does it work with different state filing systems or just specific ones?
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Tyrone Johnson
•It works across all states - just upload your PDFs and it does the cross-checking automatically. Super easy to use and catches stuff you might miss when you're going through hundreds of documents.
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Ingrid Larsson
•I've heard good things about Certana but haven't tried it myself. How accurate is it with complex assignment chains like this situation?
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Carlos Mendoza
UCC debt assignments are definitely one of the more complicated areas. The key thing to remember is that your lien perfection continues as long as there's a valid chain of assignments, even if some of the UCC-3 filings were missed. But you absolutely need to get those amendments filed ASAP. For the continuation deadlines, you'll need to file UCC-3 continuations within 6 months before the 5-year anniversary. If you're the current secured party of record (even through an unrecorded assignment), you have the right to file those continuations.
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Zainab Mahmoud
•This is important - just because the assignments weren't filed doesn't mean the debt transfers were invalid. The UCC filings are about notice to third parties, not about the validity of the underlying assignments.
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Ava Williams
•But what if there are competing claims? If someone else filed against the same debtor and collateral, wouldn't the missed assignments create priority issues?
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Carlos Mendoza
•Good point. Priority can definitely be affected by gaps in the filing record. That's why it's so important to get the UCC-3 assignments filed even if they're late.
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Raj Gupta
ugh this is giving me flashbacks to when our company bought a bunch of distressed debt and discovered the previous owner had been super sloppy with their UCC maintenance. We ended up having to file like 40 different UCC-3 amendments to clean everything up. The worst part was trying to figure out the exact dates of all the transfers so we could file the assignments correctly. Make sure you have all the purchase agreements and assignment docs before you start filing anything.
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Aisha Patel
•40 amendments?? That's insane. How long did that take to sort out?
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Raj Gupta
•Took us about 6 weeks and cost a fortune in filing fees. But it was better than losing perfection on millions in collateral.
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Lena Müller
Here's what I'd do in your situation: 1) Get all the assignment documents together and create a timeline of transfers, 2) File UCC-3 assignments for each transfer in the chain, 3) File UCC-3 continuations for any liens approaching their 5-year deadline, 4) Consider filing new UCC-1s as backups if you're really worried about the chain. The filing fees will add up but it's worth it for $2.8M in collateral. Also make sure you're filing in the right states - if any of the debtors relocated after the original filings, you might need to file in multiple jurisdictions.
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TechNinja
•Great advice. I'd add that you should also run searches in all relevant states to make sure there aren't any competing liens that might have priority due to the filing gaps.
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Aisha Patel
•Good point about the multi-state issue. A couple of these businesses did move since 2019, so I'll need to check the registered agent addresses.
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Lena Müller
•Definitely. And remember that for businesses, it's usually the state of incorporation that matters for UCC filings, not where they're physically located.
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Keisha Thompson
I deal with debt portfolio acquisitions regularly and this is unfortunately pretty common. The previous owners often get sloppy with UCC maintenance, especially when they're selling distressed assets. My recommendation would be to: 1) File UCC-3 assignments immediately to establish your chain of ownership, 2) File continuations for anything close to expiring, 3) Do comprehensive searches to identify any potential priority issues. Don't wait on this - every day you delay is another day someone could potentially file against your collateral and claim priority.
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Paolo Bianchi
•This is solid advice. Time is definitely of the essence with UCC filings, especially when there are potential priority issues.
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Aisha Patel
•You're right, I need to stop overthinking this and just get the filings done. Better to over-file than lose perfection.
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Yara Assad
Just want to echo what others have said about using document verification tools for this kind of situation. I had a similar mess with a loan portfolio and ended up using Certana.ai to map out all the inconsistencies before filing amendments. It saved me from making mistakes that would have cost way more than the tool. When you're dealing with complex assignment chains and multiple continuation deadlines, having everything verified automatically is worth its weight in gold.
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Aisha Patel
•I'm definitely going to check that out. At this point I'll try anything that can help me avoid screwing this up.
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Olivia Clark
•Smart move. These kinds of situations are exactly where automated verification tools shine.
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Javier Morales
Been there done that with UCC debt assignments. One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you check if any of the original UCC-1 filings had errors in the debtor names or collateral descriptions. If the intermediate company never filed amendments, they might not have caught and corrected any mistakes from the original filings. You don't want to discover you've been maintaining liens on the wrong entities or collateral.
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Aisha Patel
•Oh god, I hadn't even thought about that possibility. Now I'm even more stressed about this whole situation.
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Javier Morales
•Sorry, didn't mean to add to your stress! But it's better to catch these things now than to find out later when you're trying to foreclose.
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Natasha Petrov
•This is why thorough due diligence is so important with debt purchases. But you can still fix most issues with the right amendments.
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Connor O'Brien
Quick question - do you have title insurance or any kind of UCC insurance on this portfolio? If so, you might want to give them a heads up about the assignment gaps. They might have specific requirements for how you handle the cure filings. Also, some insurers have preferred methods for dealing with these situations that can help protect your coverage.
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Aisha Patel
•We do have some insurance coverage but I'll need to check the specifics. Good point about notifying them - I don't want to accidentally void coverage by handling this wrong.
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Connor O'Brien
•Definitely check with them first. Some policies require pre-approval for certain types of cure filings.
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Amina Diallo
This whole situation is why I always insist on UCC searches and gap analysis as part of our debt purchase due diligence. It's amazing how many sellers try to pass off portfolios with incomplete UCC records. At least you caught it relatively quickly after closing. I've seen situations where people didn't discover UCC gaps until they tried to foreclose and realized their liens weren't properly perfected.
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Aisha Patel
•Yeah, we definitely should have caught this during due diligence. Lesson learned for next time.
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GamerGirl99
•The good news is that most of these UCC assignment issues can be fixed if you act quickly. Just don't wait around hoping it'll resolve itself.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
UPDATE: Thanks everyone for the advice. I ended up using Certana.ai to verify all the documents and found even more issues than I originally thought - several debtor name mismatches and one collateral description that was way too vague. But at least now I have a clear picture of what needs to be fixed. Filed the first batch of UCC-3 assignments yesterday and will be working through the continuations this week. Expensive lesson but better than losing millions in collateral coverage.
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Tyrone Johnson
•Glad the document verification helped! It's always better to know exactly what you're dealing with before you start filing amendments.
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LilMama23
•Good for you for getting on top of this quickly. Way too many people let these situations drag out and create bigger problems.
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Carlos Mendoza
•Smart approach. Getting everything verified first definitely saves time and money in the long run.
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Laila Prince
This thread has been incredibly helpful - I'm dealing with a similar situation where we purchased a portfolio of equipment loans and discovered the previous servicer never filed UCC-3 assignments when they took over from the original lender. Reading through everyone's experiences here, it sounds like the key is to act fast and file the missing assignments ASAP. I'm curious though - for those who've been through this, how do you typically handle the situation when some of the underlying loan documents don't clearly specify the collateral serial numbers? Some of our UCC-1 filings just say "all equipment" but the loan agreements have more specific descriptions. Should I file amendments to match the loan docs or stick with the broader UCC language?
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Tyler Lefleur
•Great question about the collateral descriptions! In my experience, broader UCC language like "all equipment" is usually safer than trying to match specific serial numbers from loan docs. The UCC filing is meant to give notice to third parties, and overly specific descriptions can cause problems if serial numbers change or if there's equipment turnover. As long as your loan agreements have the detailed collateral descriptions, the UCC filing can be broader. Just make sure the "all equipment" language is clear about what type of equipment and that it covers both existing and after-acquired property if that's what you intended. The key is consistency - don't create confusion by having conflicting descriptions between your UCC filings and loan docs.
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Kennedy Morrison
•I've dealt with this exact issue and Tyler is absolutely right about keeping the UCC language broader. One thing to add - if your loan agreements have specific serial numbers or detailed equipment lists, make sure those are properly incorporated by reference in your security agreements. That way you get the best of both worlds: broad UCC coverage for notice purposes and specific collateral identification in your underlying loan docs. Also, when you're filing those missing UCC-3 assignments, it's a good opportunity to review and potentially clean up any collateral description issues at the same time. Just be careful not to narrow the coverage inadvertently when making amendments.
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