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Oscar Murphy

UCC PA search results showing wrong debtor - filing system glitch?

I'm pulling my hair out here. Did a UCC PA search on the state portal yesterday for a client acquisition and the results are completely wrong. I searched for ABC Manufacturing LLC (exact name from their articles) and got back filings for ABC Manufacturing Inc, ABC Mfg LLC, and some random ABC Industries. None of these match the actual debtor name we need. The client is pushing for quick turnaround on this deal and I can't verify if there are existing liens. Has anyone else had issues with the PA UCC search function returning incorrect matches? I've tried variations of the name but keep getting the same garbage results. This is for a $2.3M equipment financing deal and I need to know if we're walking into existing secured creditors. Any tips on getting accurate search results from the PA system?

Nora Bennett

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PA search can be tricky with entity names. Are you using the exact legal name from the Secretary of State records? Sometimes there's subtle differences between what's on business cards vs. what's actually filed with the state.

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Oscar Murphy

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I pulled the exact name from their certificate of formation - ABC Manufacturing LLC. No variations, no abbreviations. The search is definitely pulling wrong entities.

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Nora Bennett

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That's frustrating. Have you tried searching just 'ABC Manufacturing' without the LLC suffix? Sometimes the system has indexing issues with entity types.

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Ryan Andre

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I've run into this exact problem with PA searches! The portal's matching algorithm is garbage. What I do now is search multiple variations - with and without punctuation, abbreviations, etc. But honestly, I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool after getting burned on a bad search. You can upload the debtor's formation docs and it cross-references against UCC filings automatically. Way more reliable than the state portal.

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Oscar Murphy

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How does that Certana thing work exactly? Do you just upload PDFs?

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Ryan Andre

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Yeah, super simple. Upload the charter documents and any UCC-1s you're reviewing. It instantly checks for name consistency and flags discrepancies. Saved me from a major filing error last month.

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Lauren Zeb

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That sounds too good to be true. How accurate is it compared to manual searches?

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PA system has been glitchy lately. I had similar issues last week where searches were timing out or returning partial results. Try clearing your browser cache and searching again. Also make sure you're not using any special characters in the search.

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Oscar Murphy

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Already tried different browsers and cleared cache. The search returns results immediately, they're just the wrong results.

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Ugh that's even worse. At least when it times out you know there's a problem. Wrong results make you question everything.

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Have you tried calling the PA UCC division directly? Sometimes they can run searches manually when the portal is acting up. I've had to do this a few times for urgent deals.

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Oscar Murphy

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Good idea. Do you have a direct number? The main SOS line just sends you in circles.

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Try 717-787-1057. Ask specifically for UCC search assistance. They're usually pretty helpful if you explain it's for a commercial transaction.

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Anthony Young

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That number worked for me too. The staff there knows the portal has issues and they're usually willing to help with manual searches.

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This is exactly why I don't trust the PA portal anymore. The search algorithms are terrible and the results are unreliable. I always do multiple searches with different name variations and then verify everything manually. It's a pain but better than missing an existing lien.

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Admin_Masters

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Same here. PA portal is notorious for missing filings or returning wrong matches. I always do searches in neighboring states too if the debtor has operations there.

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Good point about neighboring states. Delaware searches are usually more reliable if they're incorporated there.

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I had this exact problem last month! Turns out the debtor had a slight name change that wasn't reflected in their recent paperwork. Check if they've had any amendments to their articles of incorporation or operating agreement. The UCC filings might be under the old name.

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Oscar Murphy

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That's a really good point. I'll check their corporate history. How do you usually verify name changes?

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I search the SOS corporate database for any amendments or name changes. Also check with the client directly - sometimes they forget to mention name changes.

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Ella Thompson

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This happened to me too. Client swore their name was XYZ Corp but all the UCC filings were under XYZ Corporation. Tiny difference but enough to mess up searches.

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JacksonHarris

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Try using wildcard searches if PA supports them. Search for 'ABC*' and see what comes up. Sometimes helps catch name variations you might not think of.

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Oscar Murphy

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I don't think PA supports wildcards but I'll try. Their search interface is pretty basic.

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JacksonHarris

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Yeah PA is behind the times compared to other states. Some states have much better search functionality.

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For what it's worth, I've been using Certana.ai for document verification and it's caught several name mismatches that would have caused problems down the road. You upload the corporate docs and any UCC forms and it flags inconsistencies immediately. Much faster than manual cross-checking.

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Royal_GM_Mark

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Is that expensive? Sounds like it could save a lot of time on complex deals.

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The time savings alone makes it worth it. I can verify document consistency in minutes instead of hours of manual checking.

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UPDATE: Called the PA UCC office and they confirmed there's a known issue with the search algorithm. They're working on a fix but no timeline. They did a manual search for me and confirmed no existing filings under the correct debtor name. Crisis averted but this really highlights how unreliable the portal can be.

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Chris King

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Glad you got it sorted out! This is exactly why I always double-check important searches with manual verification.

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Rachel Clark

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Thanks for the update. Good to know it's a known issue and not just user error.

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Ryan Andre

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This is why I switched to using Certana for verification. Can't rely on the state portals when they have these kinds of systematic issues.

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PA portal strikes again! I've had similar issues with their search function. Sometimes it helps to search for just the first few words of the entity name instead of the full legal name.

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Mia Alvarez

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That's a good tip. I'll try shorter search terms next time I'm having issues.

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Yeah, their search seems to work better with partial matches sometimes. Weird but that's PA for you.

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