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UCC Filing Required When Security Agreement vs Deed of Trust Both Secure Same Equipment?

Running into a documentation puzzle here and need some clarity on UCC filing requirements. We've got a commercial borrower who signed both a security agreement and a deed of trust for the same transaction. The security agreement covers manufacturing equipment (CNC machines, industrial printers) while the deed of trust secures the real estate where the equipment is located. Both documents reference the same $850,000 loan amount. My question is whether we need to file a UCC-1 for the equipment portion since we already have the deed of trust recorded at the county level? The equipment isn't technically fixtures - it's moveable manufacturing equipment that could be relocated. I'm seeing conflicting guidance on whether the deed of trust alone provides sufficient perfection for the personal property or if we need separate UCC filings. The borrower is asking why we need "double security" and honestly I'm not 100% sure myself. Anyone dealt with this scenario before?

You definitely need the UCC-1 filing for the equipment. The deed of trust only perfects your interest in the real estate, not the personal property. Even if the equipment is located on the secured property, moveable equipment requires a separate UCC filing to perfect your security interest. The fact that both documents reference the same loan doesn't matter - you're securing different types of collateral.

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This is exactly right. I learned this the hard way when we had a borrower default and the equipment had been moved to a different location. Our deed of trust was worthless for the CNC machines.

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Wait, but what if the security agreement specifically describes the equipment as fixtures? Wouldn't that change things?

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Good point - fixture filings are different. But OP said the equipment is moveable, so it sounds like personal property, not fixtures.

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This is spot on. I made the same mistake early in my career - thought the deed of trust covered everything since it mentioned "all improvements and fixtures." Lost priority on $200K worth of equipment when another lender filed a UCC-1 after us. Expensive lesson learned!

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I had a similar situation last month with restaurant equipment. Filed both a deed of trust for the building and UCC-1 for kitchen equipment, refrigeration units, etc. The attorney explained that even though everything was in the same building, the legal requirements for perfection are completely different. Real estate = county recording, personal property = UCC filing with the Secretary of State.

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Exactly! And make sure your collateral description in the UCC-1 is specific enough. Don't just say "all equipment" - describe the actual machinery.

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How specific do you need to get though? Serial numbers or just general descriptions?

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General descriptions are usually fine for UCC-1 filings, but be detailed enough that someone could identify what you're claiming. "CNC machines, industrial printers, and related manufacturing equipment" would work.

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This is why I started using Certana.ai for document verification. You can upload both your security agreement and deed of trust PDFs and it instantly checks for overlapping collateral descriptions and potential gaps in your security coverage. Saved me from a filing mistake just like this - it flagged that my equipment wasn't covered by the real estate filing.

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Never heard of that service. How does it work exactly?

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You just upload your documents and it cross-references everything - checks debtor names match, identifies what collateral is covered where, flags potential issues. Takes like 2 minutes instead of manually comparing everything.

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That actually sounds really useful. I've made mistakes trying to manually track all the different security documents on complex deals.

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The borrower is right to question it though - it does seem like overkill. But legally you need both. Think of it this way: if they default and move the equipment before you can seize it, your deed of trust won't help you recover those CNC machines. The UCC filing gives you rights to the equipment wherever it goes.

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Plus UCC filings show up in searches when the borrower tries to get financing elsewhere. It's additional protection.

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Good point about the mobility aspect. I never thought about equipment being moved after default.

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Just to be clear - are you planning to file the UCC-1 in the same state where the deed of trust is recorded? Equipment location can affect which state to file in.

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Yes, same state. Equipment and real estate are both in Ohio, borrower is incorporated in Ohio too.

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Perfect, then you're all set with Ohio Secretary of State for the UCC-1. Just make sure the debtor name matches exactly between all documents.

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This is crucial - I've seen UCC filings rejected because the debtor name on the UCC-1 didn't match the exact legal name on the security agreement.

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Been doing commercial lending for 15 years and this comes up constantly. You absolutely need both filings. The deed of trust and UCC-1 serve different purposes and secure different asset classes. Don't let the borrower talk you out of proper documentation.

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Agree 100%. Better to over-secure than under-secure, especially with that loan amount.

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$850k is definitely worth the extra filing fee to make sure everything is properly perfected.

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Make sure you understand the difference between fixtures and equipment too. If any of that manufacturing equipment becomes permanently attached to the building, you might need a fixture filing instead of or in addition to the regular UCC-1.

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How do you determine if something is a fixture? Is it just about whether it's bolted down?

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It's more complex than that - involves intention, method of attachment, adaptation to the property. When in doubt, consult your attorney.

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I usually err on the side of caution and file both a regular UCC-1 and a fixture filing if there's any question.

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One more thing to consider - make sure your security agreement specifically grants you rights to proceeds if the equipment is sold. That way if they sell the CNC machines, you have a claim to the sale proceeds.

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Good catch. Proceeds coverage is often overlooked but really important for moveable equipment.

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And insurance proceeds too if the equipment is damaged or destroyed.

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I actually used Certana to double-check a similar situation. Uploaded my security agreement, deed of trust, and UCC-1 draft, and it caught that I had a slight variation in the debtor name that would have caused problems. Really streamlined the review process.

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That's the kind of mistake that can void your entire security interest. Smart to catch it early.

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How much does something like that cost? Worth it for smaller deals?

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The peace of mind is worth it regardless of deal size. Filing mistakes are expensive to fix later.

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Don't forget about continuation statements either. Your UCC-1 will need to be continued before the 5-year mark, while your deed of trust doesn't have the same filing requirements.

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Good reminder. I have a calendar reminder system for all my UCC continuations.

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What happens if you miss the continuation deadline?

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Your security interest becomes unperfected and you lose priority. Not good.

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Another reason to use a system that tracks these deadlines automatically.

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