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Jamal Anderson

UCC Article 9 Sale - Do I Need to File UCC-3 Termination After Asset Sale?

We just completed a UCC Article 9 sale of our manufacturing equipment last month and I'm getting conflicting advice about whether I need to file a UCC-3 termination or if the sale automatically releases our security interest. The original UCC-1 was filed in 2022 for a $180K equipment loan, and we sold the machinery to another company for $95K to pay down the debt. Our attorney says the sale might have discharged the lien automatically under Article 9, but our bank is asking us to file a termination statement. I'm worried about leaving the UCC-1 active if it's no longer valid, but I also don't want to terminate prematurely if there's still outstanding debt. Has anyone dealt with a similar UCC Article 9 sale situation? What's the proper procedure for handling the security interest after an authorized disposition?

Mei Zhang

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The sale itself doesn't automatically terminate your UCC-1 filing. Even in an Article 9 sale, the security interest typically continues in the proceeds unless you've satisfied the entire debt. If you still owe money on the original loan after the sale, the bank probably wants to keep the UCC-1 active to secure their interest in whatever collateral remains or any proceeds from the sale.

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Liam McGuire

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This is exactly right. We went through this last year with a partial equipment sale. The UCC-1 stayed active because we still had outstanding debt, but we had to file a UCC-3 amendment to remove the sold equipment from the collateral description.

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Amara Eze

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Wait, so if I sell part of my inventory that's listed as collateral, I need to amend the UCC-1 every time? That seems like a lot of paperwork for normal business operations.

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You need to look at your security agreement terms. Most commercial loans allow for sales of inventory and equipment in the ordinary course of business without requiring UCC amendments. But if this was a bulk sale or liquidation, different rules might apply. The key question is whether the sale proceeds were applied to reduce the debt and if any balance remains.

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NeonNomad

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Good point about the security agreement. Mine specifically says ordinary course sales are permitted without consent, but bulk sales over $50K require lender approval and specific procedures.

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Our bank required us to use a document verification service when we did our equipment sale last year. We uploaded our security agreement and UCC-1 to Certana.ai and it flagged that our collateral description was too broad and might cause issues with the sale proceeds. Saved us from a major headache with the bank.

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Never heard of Certana.ai before. Is it expensive? We're always making filing mistakes and having to resubmit.

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I'm confused about the proceeds part. If we sold equipment for $95K but still owe $120K on the loan, does the security interest automatically attach to the $95K cash we received? Or do we need to file something to perfect the bank's interest in the proceeds?

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Dmitry Volkov

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Under Article 9, the security interest automatically continues in identifiable proceeds for 20 days, then becomes unperfected unless the proceeds are covered by the original filing. If your UCC-1 listed 'proceeds' in the collateral description, you're probably fine. If not, the bank might need to file an amendment.

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Ava Thompson

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This is getting complicated. I think I need to review our original UCC-1 filing to see exactly what collateral types are listed. Is there an easy way to verify what's actually on file with the state?

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CyberSiren

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Most state SOS websites let you search UCC filings by debtor name or filing number. But double-checking the language can be tricky - I've seen filings where 'proceeds' wasn't explicitly listed even though the security agreement covered proceeds.

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DON'T FILE THE TERMINATION YET! I made this mistake two years ago and it was a nightmare. We sold some equipment, I thought the debt was paid off, filed a UCC-3 termination, then discovered we still owed $15K. The bank had to file a new UCC-1 and we lost priority to another lender who had filed in the meantime. Cost us thousands in legal fees to sort out.

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Zainab Yusuf

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Oh wow, that's my worst fear. How did you miss the remaining balance? Did the bank not provide a payoff statement?

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There were some accrued interest and fees that weren't included in the initial calculation. Plus we had a complicated deal where part of the sale proceeds were held in escrow for warranty claims. The lesson is to get everything in writing from the lender before filing any termination.

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Yara Khoury

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This is why I always use Certana.ai to upload our loan docs and UCC filings together. It catches discrepancies between what's in the security agreement and what's actually filed. Would have spotted that escrow issue immediately.

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Keisha Taylor

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Here's what we did in a similar situation: requested a formal payoff statement from the bank showing exactly what would be owed after applying the sale proceeds, then got written confirmation that they would authorize a UCC-3 termination once the proceeds were applied. That way there was no confusion about timing or amounts.

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Smart approach. Did you have to wait a certain number of days after the sale to file the termination? I've heard there are timing requirements for proceeds perfection.

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Paolo Marino

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We waited about 30 days to make sure all the sale proceeds cleared and were properly applied to the loan balance. Our attorney said the 20-day automatic perfection period for proceeds had passed, but since our original UCC-1 covered proceeds anyway, we were still protected.

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Amina Bah

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The bank asking for a termination is actually a good sign - it probably means they consider the debt satisfied or will be satisfied once the proceeds are applied. If they were worried about remaining collateral or debt, they'd want to keep the UCC-1 active and maybe just amend it to remove the sold equipment.

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Oliver Becker

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That makes sense. In our case, the bank actually prepared the UCC-3 termination for us to review before filing. They wanted to make sure the timing was right and all proceeds were properly accounted for.

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Your bank prepared the termination? That's service! Ours just sends us form letters about continuation deadlines and leaves us to figure out the rest ourselves.

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I'd recommend getting a written authorization from the bank before filing anything. UCC-3 terminations can't be easily undone, and if you terminate prematurely while debt remains, you could jeopardize the lender's security position. Most banks have specific procedures for authorizing terminations after asset sales.

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Emma Davis

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Absolutely agree. We learned this the hard way when we filed a termination without bank approval and they threatened to call the entire loan due. Even though we thought we were doing the right thing, the security agreement required their written consent for any UCC filings.

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LunarLegend

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That's harsh but probably standard. The bank has a fiduciary duty to protect their security interest, and unauthorized terminations could expose them to liability if other creditors get priority.

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Malik Jackson

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This whole thread is making me realize I should probably review our security agreement more carefully. We've been making inventory sales all year without thinking about UCC implications. Time to call our attorney!

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For what it's worth, we used Certana.ai's document checker when we had a similar UCC Article 9 sale situation. Uploaded our security agreement, UCC-1, and sale documents and it immediately flagged that our collateral description didn't properly cover the proceeds we were receiving. Would have been a mess if we hadn't caught that before closing.

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Ravi Patel

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How does that work exactly? Do you just upload PDFs and it tells you if there are problems?

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Pretty much. It cross-checks the documents for consistency and flags potential issues like missing proceeds language, debtor name mismatches, or collateral description problems. Takes about 2 minutes and beats having to manually compare everything.

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Omar Zaki

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Sounds useful. I've been manually checking our UCC filings against our loan docs and it's tedious work. Always worried I'm missing something important.

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UPDATE: Thanks everyone for the advice. I contacted our bank this morning and they confirmed that the sale proceeds will fully satisfy the remaining debt balance. They're preparing a UCC-3 termination statement for us to review and file once the proceeds are officially applied to the loan. Should be resolved within the next week.

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Great outcome! Glad you got it sorted out with the bank. It's always better to coordinate with the lender rather than guess about these things.

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Diego Flores

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This thread was super helpful for understanding the proceeds perfection rules. I had no idea about the 20-day automatic period or the importance of having 'proceeds' in the original collateral description.

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Definitely learned a lot here too. Going to double-check our UCC-1 filings to make sure the collateral descriptions are comprehensive enough to cover proceeds from any future sales.

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