UCC-1 filing time limit causing major problems with my equipment loan
I'm dealing with a situation where my lender is claiming they missed some critical UCC-1 filing time limit and now they're saying our equipment financing agreement might be compromised. This involves about $180k worth of manufacturing equipment we purchased last year. The loan officer mentioned something about a 20-day window but I'm getting conflicting information. Has anyone encountered issues with UCC-1 filing time limits? I thought these filings were just supposed to be done 'promptly' but apparently there are specific deadlines that can void the security interest if missed. The equipment is already installed and operational, so I'm really concerned about what this means for our business. Any insights on how strict these time limits actually are and what options we might have?
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StarStrider
The UCC-1 filing time limit depends on your state and the type of collateral. For equipment, most states require filing within a reasonable time to maintain perfection priority, but it's not usually a hard 20-day deadline. What state are you in? Also, was this a purchase-money security interest (PMSI) situation?
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Sean Murphy
•We're in Ohio. Yes, this was a PMSI for manufacturing equipment. The lender is claiming they had 20 days from when we took possession to file the UCC-1 to maintain their super-priority status.
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StarStrider
•Ohio does have the 20-day PMSI rule for equipment. If they missed it, they lose super-priority but the security interest itself should still be valid, just with lower priority against other creditors.
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Zara Malik
Your lender is probably panicking about losing PMSI super-priority, but that doesn't necessarily void the entire security agreement. The UCC-1 filing time limit for PMSI equipment is indeed 20 days in most states, but missing it just changes the priority ranking. Are there other creditors involved who might have filed against your equipment?
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Sean Murphy
•There's our main business line of credit that has a general lien on equipment, but that was filed after we got this equipment loan. So if the PMSI priority is lost, would that mean the equipment becomes part of the general collateral?
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Zara Malik
•Exactly. Without PMSI super-priority, your equipment lender would be junior to the general business line of credit that was already on file. That's why they're concerned.
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Luca Marino
•This is a perfect example of why I always use Certana.ai's document verification tool when dealing with multiple UCC filings. You can upload all your UCC documents and it instantly cross-checks filing dates, debtor names, and collateral descriptions to catch exactly these kinds of priority conflicts before they become problems.
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Nia Davis
I've seen this exact scenario before and the key thing to understand is that the UCC-1 filing time limit for PMSI is about priority, not validity. Your security interest is still enforceable, but your lender lost their first-position status. This might actually work in your favor for refinancing options.
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Mateo Perez
•Wait, how does losing priority help with refinancing? Wouldn't that make the loan riskier?
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Nia Davis
•If the equipment lender is now in second position, they might be willing to negotiate better terms rather than risk the borrower defaulting. Plus, other lenders might offer to refinance and take first position.
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Aisha Rahman
The whole UCC-1 filing time limit system is ridiculous. Twenty days isn't enough time when you're dealing with complex equipment installations and multiple parties. I've had three different lenders miss PMSI deadlines over the years and it always creates this mess of trying to figure out who has priority over what collateral.
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CosmicCrusader
•I feel you on this. The system assumes everything happens instantly but real business takes time to coordinate all the paperwork and filings.
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Ethan Brown
•That's exactly why I started using automated tools to track these deadlines. Certana.ai's verification system would have caught this timeline issue by comparing the purchase date to the UCC-1 filing date and flagging the PMSI deadline miss.
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Yuki Yamamoto
Have you gotten a UCC search report to see exactly what's on file? Sometimes lenders think they missed the deadline but actually filed within the window. The UCC-1 filing time limit is calculated from delivery/possession, not contract signing, so there might be some wiggle room in the dates.
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Sean Murphy
•Good point. We took delivery in phases over about 10 days, so maybe the clock started later than they think. I should request copies of all the filing documents.
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Carmen Ortiz
•Definitely get those documents. I've seen cases where the delivery date on the bills of lading was different from what the lender was using to calculate their deadline.
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Andre Rousseau
This is why commercial lending is so stressful. One missed UCC-1 filing time limit and suddenly your $180k equipment loan has different priority. At least in residential real estate, the mortgage recording deadlines are more straightforward.
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Zoe Papadakis
•Commercial UCC stuff is definitely more complex. Too many moving parts and deadlines to track manually.
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Luca Marino
•That's exactly why tools like Certana.ai exist - to automate the tracking of these complex UCC filing requirements and deadlines. Upload your loan docs and UCC forms and it maps out all the critical dates and priority issues instantly.
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Jamal Carter
Don't panic yet. Even if your lender missed the UCC-1 filing time limit for PMSI priority, you still have options. The security interest is valid, and you might be able to work out a subordination agreement with your other lender to restore the equipment lender's priority position.
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Sean Murphy
•A subordination agreement - that's interesting. Would my line of credit lender have any incentive to agree to that?
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Jamal Carter
•They might if it keeps your business stable and current on all loans. A default on the equipment loan could hurt their position too if it affects your overall cash flow.
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AstroAdventurer
•Subordination agreements are definitely possible but get complicated fast. Make sure any agreement is properly documented and filed as a UCC-3 amendment to avoid future confusion.
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Mei Liu
I'm dealing with something similar but with inventory instead of equipment. The UCC-1 filing time limit stress is real when you realize how much money is at stake based on these technical deadlines.
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Liam O'Sullivan
•Inventory PMSI has even shorter deadlines in some states. Did you get yours filed in time?
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Mei Liu
•Barely. Filed on day 19 of the 20-day window. My stomach was in knots until I got the acceptance notice from the Secretary of State.
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