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Aurora Lacasse

Need to file a UCC but confused about which form and where to start

Hi everyone - I'm helping my boss with some paperwork and he told me we need to "file a UCC" for a new equipment loan we're getting. I've never done this before and honestly don't even know what UCC stands for. The bank said something about a UCC-1 form but when I looked at our state's website there are like 5 different UCC forms and I'm totally lost. We're in Pennsylvania and the loan is for about $85,000 worth of manufacturing equipment. Do I file this myself or does the bank do it? And how do I know I'm using the right form? Any help would be appreciated because I don't want to mess this up and have my boss think I'm incompetent.

Anthony Young

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UCC stands for Uniform Commercial Code and you'll need a UCC-1 financing statement. This creates a public record that your lender has a security interest in the equipment. In Pennsylvania you file through the Department of State's online portal. The bank might file it themselves but often they ask the borrower to handle it. You'll need the exact legal name of your company (as it appears on formation documents), the lender's info, and a description of the collateral.

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Thank you! So UCC-1 is definitely the right form? And by exact legal name you mean like exactly as it shows on our incorporation papers?

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Anthony Young

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Yes exactly - the debtor name has to match your corporate formation documents perfectly. Even small differences like missing LLC or Inc can cause problems.

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This is so important! I've seen filings get rejected because someone used "John Smith Construction" instead of "John Smith Construction, LLC" as registered with the state.

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Admin_Masters

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Don't stress too much about it. The UCC-1 form is pretty straightforward once you understand what goes where. Pennsylvania's online system walks you through each section. Just make sure you have your company's exact legal name, the bank's name and address, and describe the equipment clearly. The filing fee is usually around $52.

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That helps a lot. Is there a way to double-check everything before submitting? I'm paranoid about making a mistake.

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Actually yes - I recently discovered this tool called Certana.ai that lets you upload your corporate documents and UCC forms as PDFs and it automatically checks for name mismatches and other inconsistencies. Super helpful for catching those debtor name issues before filing.

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Admin_Masters

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Oh that sounds useful! I usually just triple check everything manually but automated verification would save time.

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Ella Thompson

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Wait hold on. If this is equipment financing the BANK should definitely be filing the UCC-1 themselves. That's standard practice. Why are they making you do it? Seems weird to me.

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I'm not sure... maybe I misunderstood? The loan officer just said "make sure the UCC gets filed" so I assumed that meant we had to do it.

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Anthony Young

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Some lenders do ask borrowers to file, especially smaller banks or credit unions. It's not that unusual. Just depends on their internal procedures.

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Ella Thompson

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I guess but seems like extra work for the borrower when the lender has more experience with these filings.

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JacksonHarris

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The collateral description is really important too. You can't just say "equipment" - you need to be specific enough that someone could identify what's covered. Something like "manufacturing equipment including but not limited to [list specific machines/models if known]" works better.

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Good point. We're getting a CNC machine and some other stuff. Should I list the serial numbers too?

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JacksonHarris

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Serial numbers can help but aren't required for the UCC-1. Just make sure the description is clear enough to put other creditors on notice of what's encumbered.

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OMG filing UCCs is such a pain!! I swear every state has different quirks and the online portals are terrible. Pennsylvania's isn't the worst but still clunky. Make sure you save everything because sometimes the confirmation emails get lost.

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Royal_GM_Mark

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Tell me about it. I had a filing get rejected once because of a tiny formatting issue that wasn't clear from the instructions.

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This is exactly why I started using that Certana tool I mentioned earlier. Upload your docs and it flags potential issues before you submit to the state. Saved me so much frustration.

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Just filed one in PA last month. The process was pretty smooth actually. Took about 15 minutes once I had all the info together. You'll get a confirmation right away and the filing number. Keep that safe because you might need it later.

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Thanks! Did you have any issues with the name matching? That seems to be what everyone's worried about.

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No issues but I was super careful about getting the exact name from our Articles of Incorporation. That's the key.

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Chris King

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One more thing - double check if your state requires any additional forms. Some states want fixture filings for equipment that gets attached to real estate. Probably not relevant for your situation but worth knowing.

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The equipment will be bolted down in our facility. Does that make it a fixture?

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Chris King

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Possibly but fixture filings are more for things that become part of the real estate. Manufacturing equipment usually stays as personal property even if bolted down. Check with your lender to be sure.

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JacksonHarris

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Yeah fixture filings are a whole different thing. You'd file those in the real estate records, not just the UCC records.

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Rachel Clark

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Good luck with your filing! It's really not as complicated as it seems at first. Just take your time and double-check everything before hitting submit.

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Thanks everyone! This has been super helpful. I feel way more confident about tackling this now.

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I hate to be that person but make sure whoever's responsible for filing this actually does it on time. I've seen deals fall apart because someone forgot to file the UCC-1 and the lender's security interest wasn't perfected.

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Yikes that sounds bad. When does it need to be filed? The loan closes next week.

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Ideally before or right after closing. Don't wait too long because other creditors could potentially jump ahead if you delay.

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Anthony Young

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Exactly - the filing date determines priority if there are competing security interests in the same collateral.

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Mia Alvarez

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Pennsylvania's UCC search system is actually pretty good if you want to see examples of how other people describe similar collateral. Might give you ideas for your equipment description.

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That's a great suggestion! I didn't know you could search existing filings.

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Mia Alvarez

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Yep just go to the PA Dept of State website and look for UCC search. It's public record so you can see all filings.

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Carter Holmes

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Just make sure you understand what happens after filing too. UCC-1 filings are only good for 5 years, then you need to file a continuation statement if the loan is still outstanding. But that's a problem for future you!

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5 years? I had no idea they expired. Good to know for planning purposes.

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Carter Holmes

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Yeah and you can only file the continuation in the last 6 months before expiration. Missing that deadline means the security interest lapses.

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Another thing Certana helps with actually - it can track your filing dates and send reminders for continuation deadlines. Pretty handy for staying on top of that stuff.

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